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Unread post02 May 2019, 20:05

There is a House Subcommittee hearing on Tactical Air going on right now and it looks like it will have a bunch of info. I'll post links to specific time-frames of relevant information. I will edit this post with links to new info as I hear given that the video is about 2 hours in length.

The F-35 to A-10 comparison was just completed in March of 2019. 2/3rds of the testing was done in the spring of 2018 with the final 1/3rd done in March of 2019. Final report will be ready by the end of the year.
https://youtu.be/7du-vfIWl2A?t=4065 (1:07:45 --> 1:12)


CPFH for F-35A: $44k in FY2018 with a plan for $34K by 2024. The "target" is still $25k by 2025.
https://youtu.be/7du-vfIWl2A?t=4660 (1:17:40 --> 1:20:45)


Early LRIP Jet Upgrades: The plan and budget is in place to have all early (ie TR1) F-35s upgraded to TR2 (Tech Refresh) config within 13 months (June of 2020). TR1 Jets are the main driver that is keeping the fleet-wide MC Rates low.
https://youtu.be/7du-vfIWl2A?t=5140 (1:25:40 --> 1:26:25)

Bio's and statements are HERE (Lots):
https://docs.house.gov/Committee/Calend ... tID=109348

Committee page HERE:
https://armedservices.house.gov/hearing ... 9A3354EC05
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Unread post02 May 2019, 23:43

Thanks for all the info 'SWP' (I'll get to it all soonish).
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Unread post03 May 2019, 07:49

WASHINGTON — The Pentagon’s cost assessment office doesn’t believe the F-35 program office can achieve a “stretch goal” of getting the "A" model’s cost per flying hour to $25,000 by fiscal 2025, its director said Thursday.



Seems 25,000 by 2025 is a "stretch target" and not really a "target"...

Both CAPE and the F-35 Joint Program Office arrived at similar projections for the F-35A conventional takeoff and landing variant’s cost per flying hour in FY24, with CAPE estimating $36,000 per hour and the JPO pegging costs at $34,000 per hour, said Daigle, who is stepping down later this month. (The two organizations did not provide an estimate for FY25, which is outside of the regular five-year budget cycle.)



So the "average estimate" for 2024 would then be 35,000USD for 2024. It is highly unlikely they will get anywhere near 25k in the following year. Seems impossible.

What is the corresponding CPFH for the F-16?

If the CPFH does not go down significantly it is going to be a challenge for small countries like Norway to fund other parts of the defence forces, the Navy and Army are already suffering....


Perhaps even the USAF will struggle to afford the large number of F-35 they are aiming for.
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Unread post03 May 2019, 09:31

The F-35 Selected Acquisition Reports over the past several years have put the F-16C/D's antecedent (historic average) CPFH as $25,541 in 2012 dollars, which would translate to around $28,300/hr in 2019 (though actual CPFH figures today may be higher or lower depending on aircraft aging, changes in operational pace, etc).

By the time the F-35A reaches ~$35K/hr in 2024 an F-16C would likely cost around $30K/hr (making the F-35A only 16.7% more expensive per flight hour).
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Unread post03 May 2019, 18:59

loke wrote:
If the CPFH does not go down significantly it is going to be a challenge for small countries like Norway to fund other parts of the defence forces, the Navy and Army are already suffering....


Perhaps even the USAF will struggle to afford the large number of F-35 they are aiming for.


The idea is less actual flight time and more simulator time, so the fleet will average a few less flight hours per year at a slightly higher cost but the pilots will get more overall training with the new simulators and actual flight time at a cheaper / similar cost to now.
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Unread post03 May 2019, 19:29

loke wrote:What is the corresponding CPFH for the F-16?


If the program can get to $34k by 2024 then they will actually be under the SAR estimation.

$25k by 2025 will actuly come under teh equivilent F-16 CPFH.

Here are the SAR numbers adjusted for inflation.

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