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Unread post18 Apr 2019, 19:35

Everything You Need to Know about the F-35A [aahaa - the single F-35A cometh]
15 Apr 2019 LM PR

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Unread post19 Apr 2019, 02:55

Why they didn't show off more choice shots of the drift and pirouette for the maneuverability gif is beyond me.
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Unread post19 Apr 2019, 03:38

I think a lot of PR people in the Aviation Business are clueless about Aviation. Probably they're OK at the business part.

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Unread post19 Apr 2019, 11:00

spazsinbad wrote:Image


This one is the most impressive for me. It show very well the advantage of stealth. For the 4 gen i'ts nearly impossible go get undetected to the traget. The F-35 can fulfill his mission undetected and unharmed.
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Unread post19 Apr 2019, 12:40

At the risk of displaying a profound ignorance -These gifs show a 3D representation of air defence bubbles. How are these ground based threats actually presented to the F-35 pilot? Does the pilot actually get a 3D or pseudo 3D representation of these threats? Or is displaying the width of the air defence bubble sufficient?

Does the software generate an optimum track to avoid the bubbles (and so avoid detection) and then display this track for the pilot to follow manually? Or does the pilot enter an intended destination and the software flies the F-35 to that point whilst automatically avoiding ground based threats? Or do both options exist?
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Unread post20 Apr 2019, 03:04

aussiebloke wrote:At the risk of displaying a profound ignorance -These gifs show a 3D representation of air defence bubbles. How are these ground based threats actually presented to the F-35 pilot? Does the pilot actually get a 3D or pseudo 3D representation of these threats? Or is displaying the width of the air defence bubble sufficient?

Does the software generate an optimum track to avoid the bubbles (and so avoid detection) and then display this track for the pilot to follow manually? Or does the pilot enter an intended destination and the software flies the F-35 to that point whilst automatically avoiding ground based threats? Or do both options exist?


officially we have no idea what you mean. Using sensors to detect what enemy sensors are detecting is just science fiction...







































































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Unread post20 Apr 2019, 22:24

aussiebloke wrote:At the risk of displaying a profound ignorance -These gifs show a 3D representation of air defence bubbles. How are these ground based threats actually presented to the F-35 pilot? Does the pilot actually get a 3D or pseudo 3D representation of these threats? Or is displaying the width of the air defence bubble sufficient?

Does the software generate an optimum track to avoid the bubbles (and so avoid detection) and then display this track for the pilot to follow manually? Or does the pilot enter an intended destination and the software flies the F-35 to that point whilst automatically avoiding ground based threats? Or do both options exist?


Both. The cockpit display will show a 2d outline of the enemy sensor- and weapons reach (as well as his own). So the pilot can choose to navigate around that or hand it over to the autopilot which flies an optimum path.
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Unread post20 Apr 2019, 22:48

Threat emitters (and their detection ranges) are visually displayed. The autopilot can be set to keep a minimum safe distance, as the jet weaves through IADS.
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Unread post21 Apr 2019, 01:35

wrightwing wrote:Threat emitters (and their detection ranges) are visually displayed. The autopilot can be set to keep a minimum safe distance, as the jet weaves through IADS.


What's to stop someone from peppering the battlespace with false threat emitters? Or for that matter setting up false threat emitters to ensure the strike package or lone aircraft has a probability of following a route chosen by the opposing side?
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Unread post21 Apr 2019, 01:42

These 'false' emitters would have to ACCURATELY mimic the real deal in every way OTHERWISE as has been attested, F-35 will NOT see the FALSIES - this verified in earlier RED FLAGS so these 'emitters' have to be upgraded to be AS REAL AS.

Probably the FALSIES would have to be the REAL DEAL so how many is that if they are not 'protecting' other REAL ASSETS?

Advance Search the F-35 sub-forum using the term FALSE+EMITTER* [note the asterisk for plural] any other combos?

search.php?keywords=false%2Bemitter*+&terms=all&author=&fid%5B%5D=65&sc=1&sf=all&sr=posts&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=-1&t=0&submit=Search

FROM ANOTHER COMBO: viewtopic.php?f=62&t=25709&p=274943&hilit=electronic+range+false#p274943
"... the JSF’s sensor suite and computational power, which can be easily upgraded over time due to the plane’s open avionics architecture, gives the F-35 an ability to adjust its flight path in real time in response to pop-up threats, something neither the F-117 nor the B-2 have been able to do. Second, the F-35 has an AESA radar that can be used for electronic attack of enemy air defenses as well as digital radio frequency memory (DRFM) capabilities that offer the potential to increase survivability “by delaying, denying, and defeating threat air-to-air and surface-to-air missile systems operating in the radio frequency spectrum.”..." viewtopic.php?f=22&t=15668&p=198144&hilit=electronic+range+false#p198144

PDF 1Mb: download/file.php?id=14440 2011.06.02-Maturing-Revolution-In-Military-Affairs1.pdf


viewtopic.php?f=22&t=14027&p=175227&hilit=electronic+training+range+false#p175227

Not finding the 'F-35 rejects poor emitter replication on electronic training ranges' quotes but I'll get there. Meanwhile....
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Unread post21 Apr 2019, 03:18

crosshairs wrote:
wrightwing wrote:Threat emitters (and their detection ranges) are visually displayed. The autopilot can be set to keep a minimum safe distance, as the jet weaves through IADS.


What's to stop someone from peppering the battlespace with false threat emitters? Or for that matter setting up false threat emitters to ensure the strike package or lone aircraft has a probability of following a route chosen by the opposing side?

For one you don't know when or where the F-35s are coming from, if you're the enemy. Are you going to leave everything on, all the time, and betray your EOB? There are other assets, other than F-35s, that are watching the battlespace, and would see emplacement. These false emitters would need to mimic the output power, as well as the exact waveforms. The F-35s ESM suite is very smart, so a simple decoy isn't going to spoof it. The F-35 has multiple onboard sensors, that can look at emitter sources, for positive ID. These are just a few hurdles, and there are a lot more.
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Unread post21 Apr 2019, 04:09

IIRC there was an account a while back that when the F-35; first began participating in LFEs, it easily get nentified fake threats/decoys. The AF had to upgrade it's threat assets accordingly.
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Unread post21 Apr 2019, 11:41

popcorn wrote:IIRC there was an account a while back that when the F-35; first began participating in LFEs, it easily get nentified fake threats/decoys.


Maybe this Breaking Defense article?

https://breakingdefense.com/2016/11/f-2 ... nges-awacs

It was Lt. Col. Scott Gunn, an F-35A pilot based at Eglin, who told the training anecdote. Eglin isn’t some backwater base with inadequate equipment. It’s the crown jewel of Air Force test programs, Gunn said, “but a lot of those precious resources are just not quite enough for what you need in fifth gen.

“A lot of the simulated threat surface-to-air emitters that we have are basically a little radar dish on a stick that’s attached to a computer,” which tells the radar what signals to emit to replicate a threat, Gunn said. “Well, the F-35 sees that and says, ‘nope, that’s not the threat.’ So it ignores it.
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Unread post21 Apr 2019, 12:49

Great stuff - you got it (the quote). It must be here somewhere also.... Quick 'look' did not find it here but a great article.
F-22, F-35 Outsmart Test Ranges, AWACS
07 Nov 2016 SYDNEY J. FREEDBERG JR.

"...Lt. Col. Scott Gunn, an F-35A pilot based at Eglin, who told the training anecdote. Eglin isn’t some backwater base with inadequate equipment. It’s the crown jewel of Air Force test programs, Gunn said, “but a lot of those precious
resources are just not quite enough for what you need in fifth gen.

“A lot of the simulated threat surface-to-air emitters that we have are basically a little radar dish on a stick that’s attached to a computer,” which tells the radar what signals to emit to replicate a threat, Gunn said. “Well, the F-35 sees that and says, ‘nope, that’s not the threat.’ So it ignores it.

“We’re finding we almost have to dumb down the system a little bit to say, ‘all right, well, it’s not exactly the threat, but it’s good enough to display it,'” Gunn said. “If you don’t have something that’s really replicating the threat, you’re not getting the training you need, because the airplane is too smart.”..."

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