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Unread post08 Oct 2018, 20:38

geforcerfx wrote:
knowan wrote:Tomahawk can't launch from land sites due to INF treaty.


I thought that was just the nuke tomahawks?

If they needed to reduce the range I'm sure that could be easily done with the tomahawk, it only flies as it has fuel to do so.

If they need mach 3 or 4 speed then yeah the tomahawk is a no go.

No, all long-range, land-based cruise missiles were banned.
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Unread post09 Oct 2018, 08:41

juretrn wrote:
geforcerfx wrote:
knowan wrote:Tomahawk can't launch from land sites due to INF treaty.


I thought that was just the nuke tomahawks?

If they needed to reduce the range I'm sure that could be easily done with the tomahawk, it only flies as it has fuel to do so.

If they need mach 3 or 4 speed then yeah the tomahawk is a no go.

No, all long-range, land-based cruise missiles were banned.


Any land-launched missile with between 500 and 5500 km range was banned, cruise and ballistic, conventional and nuclear.

The Gryphon, Pershing Ia and Pershing II were all withdrawn as a result of the treaty.
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Unread post10 Oct 2018, 04:26

Having not kept up with all the weapon acronyms I'm hoping this post is not a repeat.
Raytheon has integrated the DeepStrike into M142 HIMARS and M270 MLRS
OR New Army weapon will deliver unparalleled precision, firepower
09 Oct 2018 Raytheon PR

"TUCSON, Ariz., Oct. 9, 2018 /PRNewswire/ -- Raytheon Company (NYSE: RTN) completed a significant milestone in the development of its long-range DeepStrike™ missile to meet the U.S. Army's Precision Strike Missile, or PrSM, requirement. The company has integrated its new launch pod missile container into the Army's M142 HIMARS and M270 MLRS launchers.

Raytheon’s DeepStrike® missile is the U.S. Army’s affordable solution that offers double the firepower, greater range and precision accuracy. The launch pod missile container integration took place at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, in July. During the integration, Raytheon technicians worked side-by-side with soldiers and Marines on operational launchers to ensure proper fit and functionality....

...Featuring an innovative, two-in-the-pod design and an advanced guidance system, Raytheon's new long-range precision strike missile will fly farther, faster and pack more punch than the current weapon, which is approaching the end of its service life.

As the next-generation surface-to-surface weapon for the Army, the DeepStrike missile will defeat fixed land targets 60-499 kilometers away, improve lethality and responsiveness compared to current systems, and restore the Army's capability to overmatch the threat."

Source: http://raytheon.mediaroom.com/2018-10-0 ... evelopment

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Unread post10 Oct 2018, 05:14

knowan wrote: ...
Any land-launched missile with between 500 and 5500 km range was banned, cruise and ballistic, conventional and nuclear.

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spazsinbad wrote:Having not kept up with all the weapon acronyms I'm hoping this post is not a repeat.
Raytheon has integrated the DeepStrike into M142 HIMARS and M270 MLRS...

"TUCSON, Ariz., Oct. 9, 2018 /PRNewswire/ -- Raytheon Company (NYSE: RTN) completed a significant milestone in the development of its long-range DeepStrike™ missile ... the U.S. Army’s affordable solution that offers double the firepower, greater range ...

As the next-generation surface-to-surface weapon for the Army, the DeepStrike missile will defeat fixed land targets 60-499 kilometers away, ..."



Replacement for ATACMS with an interesting "spec" for max range. Hmmm... 499 km ... less than 500 km banned ... right ....
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Unread post10 Oct 2018, 07:11

weasel1962 wrote:Who needs anti-ship missiles?


HIMARS on a ship is a temporary fix, unless they're putting them into dedicated compact naval launchers (with some dedicated reload storage nearby and a dedicated mechanism to reload them at sea. So where's the operational advantage, other than providing some ad-hoc temporary tactical capability? And in associated Joint land battle any bootstrapped launcher will not be staying on the ship for long. So the ship needs its own attack capabilities. Much more impressive VLO weapons like VLS LRASM or deck quad-pack JSM will still be required and not replaceable by HIMARS. As well as SM-6 type capabilities for rapid surface and ground strike from VLS.
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Unread post10 Oct 2018, 07:15

knowan wrote: ... (tbh, the USA should just bring back ground launched Tomahawks like the Gryphon), it is pretty clear the USA would happily give those weapons up again in the future if they can get Russia to do the same.


Tomahawk production ends this year by the look of things. 100 for 2018 with no more to come.
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Unread post10 Oct 2018, 09:27

element1loop wrote:
knowan wrote: ... (tbh, the USA should just bring back ground launched Tomahawks like the Gryphon), it is pretty clear the USA would happily give those weapons up again in the future if they can get Russia to do the same.


Tomahawk production ends this year by the look of things. 100 for 2018 with no more to come.


I wonder if a surface launched JASSM-ER or the new -XR variant could be done easily.
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Unread post10 Oct 2018, 09:43

They will need to call it something else for starters.

Something like NGLAW.
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Unread post10 Oct 2018, 12:04

element1loop wrote:
knowan wrote: ... (tbh, the USA should just bring back ground launched Tomahawks like the Gryphon), it is pretty clear the USA would happily give those weapons up again in the future if they can get Russia to do the same.


Tomahawk production ends this year by the look of things. 100 for 2018 with no more to come.


The service life extension program is just beginning for the Tomahawks to give it a new datalink and terminal seeker with anti-ship and anti-radiation capabilities. Not sure how many missiles the USN has in its inventory now but i estimate it to be approximately 3000-4000. Thars why the Navy is not too warm to the idea of surface-launched JASSM although the JASSM is much more survivable.
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