Does the RAN have any plans to get back in the carrier game?

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Unread post12 Jan 2018, 22:16

:devil: A crusty old seadog (not me) lets fly at the 'fluffy bunny' (wot try to turn into TIGERS!) RAN of today & NO FAA!!!! :doh:
A ‘clever’ Australia needs a larger, more potent navy
12 Jan 2018 Richard Menhinick

"In an interview in Australian Foreign Affairs, Paul Keating [ex-PM from 20 Years ago] {Paul Keating was Australia’s 24th Prime Minister and held office from 20 December 1991 to 11 March 1996.} noted that China under Xi Jinping was looking to craft a new form of global governance, rejecting the notion of China as a strategic client of the US. Keating also talked about our need to be clever.

He observed that ‘before the Industrial Revolution, China was on the top of the system and had a tributary system of states which bowed and genuflected to them. Let’s hope we’re not going to be bowing and genuflecting.’ He went on to say that ‘self-reliance and self-help should be the keynote of our foreign policy’. In my view, that needs to expand to defence policy as well....

...Little focus is put on the enduring concepts of sea control and maritime strategy, which are supposed to be the rationale for developing and deploying maritime power, especially for an island continent. In a region increasingly dominated by China and India, Australia is unlikely to fight at home unless our maritime forces are first destroyed.

Australia is surrounded by the three largest oceans on earth, yet governments over more than three decades have failed to focus on forward defence via powerful, sustainable and deployed maritime forces. China and India are focusing increasingly on that area.

Despite much that is written and spoken, we have a navy that remains a sea-denial element of a continental strategy. There’s little ability to take power and project it forward. Mobile sea-based air power and strike is neglected, almost vilified, and to even debate it is heresy in Australian defence circles. We’ve been lulled into thinking that transporting land forces over the sea is the navy’s primary role, not taking the war to the enemy, violently and aggressively....

...We should be talking to the Australian public about strategic truths in a language they understand, explaining to them the new reality. To have self-reliance and self-help in this era requires a much larger, more potent navy. Fixed-wing, strike-capable aircraft carriers are required to project maritime air power via the short take-off, vertical landing version of the joint strike fighter....

...As an island continent in the new Indo-Pacific reality, we cannot remain mute as our maritime forces continue to be deficient."

Source: https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/cleve ... tent-navy/
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Unread post13 Jan 2018, 00:55

Canada cancelling the f-35,then designing and building their own hypersonic 6th gen. Would be better odds than OZ getting a carrier. We and the US, have walked away from the SCS conflict and just making some noise. China has moved in and fortified islands, It worked for Israel, it will work for china.
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Unread post13 Jan 2018, 01:42

Amazing how you think things are cut and dried. SCS is just the beginning which the article makes clear enough. Learn to speak appropriate languages for you and learn how to run - NOT WALK. But I digress - you are one of the 'shutdowners'.

Our VF-805 'nickname' (one of many) was THE SUNDOWNERS (a popular fillum at time also) for our tendency to NOT FLY the A4G at night onboard. Made sense to me however we needed to be able to catapult/arrest at night with the mission beginning perhaps just after dawn or ending just before sunset. Otherwise nothing to do at night that was worthwhile.
:roll: :devil: This 'sundowning' definition is only from 2016 apparently but hey it'll get me soon enough.... :doh: :bang:
"Sundowning is a symptom of Alzheimer's disease and other forms of dementia. It's also known as “late-day confusion.” ... In comparison, their symptoms may be less pronounced earlier in the day. Your loved one is most likely to experience sundowning if they have mid-stage to advanced dementia."
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Unread post13 Jan 2018, 02:46

spazsinbad wrote:.... He went on to say that ‘self-reliance and self-help should be the keynote of our foreign policy’. In my view, that needs to expand to defense policy as well........ In a region increasingly dominated by China and India, .... Australia is surrounded by the three largest oceans on earth,... China and India are focusing increasingly on that area......As an island continent in the new Indo-(China)/ Pacific reality, we cannot remain mute as our maritime forces continue to be deficient"..


....for the 24+ million Australian citizens/ consumers, the international commercial maritime routes they are dependent on in those oceans are easily vulnerable to the two evolving super powers and their competition for resources/ supplies/ commerce.
...It would seem to influence the ISR capabilities (P-8/ MQ-4C Triton) of those interested "as well as" a maritime defense program for those same nationally required resources/ supplies/ commerce.
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Unread post13 Jan 2018, 02:55

NAH. We'll just get our Kiwi 4.7 mil cuz to protect us with their fast jets. Would be nice if THEY contributed an F-35B lot!
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