RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz.

Unread postPosted: 09 Sep 2017, 07:07
by arrow-nautics
Sorry Mods since there is no confirmation but the Pentagon are being unusually tight lipped on this. And it happened at Nellis Air Force Base.

http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/anna ... y,amp.html

The aircraft was assigned to Air Force Materiel Command, which leads development of new combat technologies for the service.

Maj. Christina Sukach, a spokeswoman for the 99th Air Base Wing, said Schultz died as a result of injuries sustained in the accident. The crash remains under investigation, and additional details were not immediately available.

“Our immediate concern is for the family of Lt. Col. Schultz,” she wrote in an email.

Schultz is a 1991 Annapolis High School graduate, and the son of Linda and Larry Schultz, of Annapolis. They traveled to Nevada on Wednesday to be with their son’s wife and other members of the family.

A former civilian test pilot, Eric Schultz held multiple graduate degrees when he joined the Air Force in 2001. He went on to be an experienced flight training officer who was the 29th pilot to qualify to fly the F-35 fighter jet in 2011.

His crash was one of two Air Force crashes near Nellis on Wednesday. Twos A-10C Thunderbolt II jets assigned to the 57th Wing crashed on the test range at approximately 8 p.m.

An Air Force spokeswoman at Nellis said the pilots ejected safely. The aircraft were on a routine training mission at the time of the crash.


:( Prayers to the family.

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz. F-35 down?

Unread postPosted: 09 Sep 2017, 08:15
by gc
Its not a F-35. The spokesperson said its a classified platform that she cannot reveal. Wonder what it is.

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz. F-35 down?

Unread postPosted: 09 Sep 2017, 08:21
by blindpilot
Here's a toast to the host of men who fly ...

According to military.com
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017 ... range.html

"Information about the type of aircraft involved is classified and not releasable," Maj. Christina Sukach, chief of public affairs for the 99 Air Base Wing at Nellis, said in an email.

I suspect we will not hear what type aircraft was flying 100 miles NW of Nellis, but that question can wait. Lt. Col. Schultz was among the best of the best.

My prayers and thoughts for now are for family and friends. :cry: :salute:
BP

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz. F-35 down?

Unread postPosted: 09 Sep 2017, 08:35
by spazsinbad
Nellis AFB News Release: http://www.nellis.af.mil/About/Press-Re ... -accident/

Alert5 & photo: http://alert5.com/2017/09/09/28th-perso ... more-64833

http://alert5.com/wp-content/uploads/20 ... 43x500.jpg
"AF-1 Flt; Capt Eric “DOC” Schultz; First F-35 Flight; Pre-flt & Hosedown; F-35 ITF Edwards AFB; Ca.; 15 September 2011"

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz. F-35 down?

Unread postPosted: 09 Sep 2017, 09:31
by citanon
RIP. A sad reminder that advances in aeronautics rest on the bravery and sacrifice of our test pilots.

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz. F-35 down?

Unread postPosted: 09 Sep 2017, 12:13
by krorvik
Blue skies, Doc... :salute:

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz. F-35 down?

Unread postPosted: 09 Sep 2017, 13:00
by popcorn
R.I.P. :salute:

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz. F-35 down?

Unread postPosted: 09 Sep 2017, 14:17
by spazsinbad
This text was posted on Pprune without attribution:
"Unknown ‘classified’ aircraft type lost at or near Area 51

The fact that an aircraft accident has occurred is usually released immediately. Unusually it was three days before the USAF admitted that it had lost a still unidentified aircraft at “around 6:00 PM’ on Tuesday 5 September, during a training mission on the Nevada Test and Training Range.

Details of the accident remain sketchy, and Major Christina Sukach, chief of public affairs for the 99 Air Base Wing at Nellis, said that: “Information about the type of aircraft involved is classified and not releasable,” though it was admitted that the aircraft was assigned to Air Force Materiel Command (AFMC). This would make it likely to have been a test aircraft of some kind – perhaps simply an F-16 or F-35 assigned to test duties, or possibly a classified prototype or a foreign aircraft type under evaluation, or in use for adversary training.

The 53rd TEG’s Detachment 3 is understood to be the operator of the Su-27s and MiG-29s used by the USAF for foreign material exploitation and associated training, and, according to the USAF, “maintains an active involvement with AFMC”, though it is not formally assigned to Air Force Materiel Command. Det 3 is the successor to the 4477th TES or Red Eagles squadron that operated the USAF’s secret fleet of MiG-17s, MiG-21s and MiG-23s.

Nellis Air Force Base said that the cause was under investigation and that additional information about the accident would be released at a later date.

A Nellis spokesperson implied that the delay in reporting the accident reflected the focus that had rightly been placed on search and recovery efforts and on notifying next-of-kin.

The location was given as being “about 100 miles northwest of Nellis AFB” – which, perhaps not entirely coincidentally, is also a good description of the location of the top secret Groom Lake test airfield – popularly known as Area 51.

It was reported that the pilot involved, Lieutenant Colonel Eric ‘Doc’ Schultz, 44, had died as a result of injuries sustained in the accident, though Major Sukach said that it was “unclear as to whether Schultz had died at the crash site.” Another Nellis spokesperson, Tech. Sgt. Siuta Ika confirmed that Lt. Col. Eric Schultz had been piloting the aircraft when it crashed, but said that it was unknown whether other people were on board at the time of the crash.

Colonel Schultz’s unit assignment has not been released.

As a young boy Eric Schultz dreamed of becoming an Astronaut, but poor eyesight led to three rejections from the US military after he graduated from Annapolis High School in 1991.

As a freshman at Pennsylvania State University, he was turned away from the Reserve Officer Training Program but was denied due to poor eyesight. While still at University, Schultz took a civilian job with the Navy as a flight test engineer.

Schultz subsequently worked as a business development director for an aerospace company and took multiple college degrees, gaining a doctorate in aerospace engineering from the California Institute of Technology in 2000.

In 2001, after the Air Force began accepting pilots who had undergone corrective l@ser eye surgery, Schultz was able to join the USAF as a pilot, initially serving as a flying instructor.

In 2006, while flying F-15s with the 391st Fighter Squadron at Mountain Home Air Force Base he was listed as one of the year’s Ten Outstanding Young Americans – an honour previously meted out to Presidents John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton.

At that time, Schultz still aspired to becoming an astronaut, saying that while he loved flying jets, his goal remained to be in space, though he also said that: “As long as I'm enjoying what I'm doing, and I'm contributing positively, that's all that counts."

On 15 September 2011, then-Captain Schultz became the 28th pilot to qualify to fly the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter."

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz. F-35 down?

Unread postPosted: 09 Sep 2017, 18:31
by doge
It seems that it was not a F-35...
https://twitter.com/Oriana0214/status/9 ... 2344848387
Oriana Pawlyk‏@Oriana0214
#BREAKING: "I can definitely say it was not an F-35," -@GenDaveGoldfein told @Militarydotcom accompanying him on trip to #NGAUS2017.

https://www.facebook.com/Militarydotcom ... 4835384270
Military.com
UPDATE: Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David L. Goldfein says the aircraft involved in the deadly crash was not an F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. "I can definitely say it was not an F-35," he said.

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz. F-35 down?

Unread postPosted: 09 Sep 2017, 19:36
by blindpilot
doge wrote:It seems that it was not a F-35...
... Gen. David L. Goldfein says the aircraft involved in the deadly crash was not an F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. "I can definitely say it was not an F-35," he said.


Folks I suspect that we will not know.

That doesn't mean it was a X999 spaceship. It could be training tactics against an F-16 using an old modified Mig 23, carrying some new tech weapons/sensor package to see what happens with new Chinese sapphire lenses looking into the sun, at Mach 1.5, in a high G turn, and anything else we can imagine.

The bottom line is Lt. Col. Schultz was trusted with our most important, and risky test missions. He will be missed.

MHO,
BP

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz. F-35 down?

Unread postPosted: 09 Sep 2017, 21:25
by rheonomic
:(

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz. F-35 down?

Unread postPosted: 09 Sep 2017, 23:41
by ricnunes
R.I.P. :( :salute:

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz. F-35 down?

Unread postPosted: 10 Sep 2017, 00:42
by citanon
LCol "Doc" Schultz received a PhD in aeronautical engineering from Caltech. His thesis research was on pulse detonation combustion. He was probably one of the top scientific and engineering minds in the Air Force. A brilliant career cut short at age 44.

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz. F-35 down?

Unread postPosted: 10 Sep 2017, 03:55
by southernphantom
:salute:

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz. F-35 down?

Unread postPosted: 10 Sep 2017, 07:43
by sunstersun
:salute: :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute:

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz. F-35 down?

Unread postPosted: 10 Sep 2017, 21:34
by arrow-nautics
Please forgive me for this thread. A couple too many pops coupled with stupid judgement at the time. :(

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz.

Unread postPosted: 12 Sep 2017, 12:20
by spazsinbad
Fatal Nevada Crash Involved Foreign Aircraft Type
11 Sep 2017 Guy Norris

"...Sources indicate Schultz was the Red Hats squadron commander at the time of his death. The Red Hats became an unnumbered unit within the Detachment 3, AFTC test wing after the 413th flight test squadron (formerly 6513th test squadron) was deactivated in 2004. Over recent years the unit has operated a variety of Russian-developed combat types, including the MiG-29 and several Sukhoi-developed models such as the Su-27P, one of which was recently observed flying in the vicinity...."

Source: http://aviationweek.com/defense/fatal-n ... craft-type

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz.

Unread postPosted: 12 Sep 2017, 23:37
by lbk000
RIP

For what little it's worth, like a year ago in Digital Combat Simulator the developers implemented structural strength characteristics in their Flanker and it came as an unexpected surprise to users who had for a long time neglected the real world operational restrictions that the Flanker could actually fall apart during maneuvers. A G-limiter system found on the actual aircraft was implemented a few months later, which greatly increased the safety margin, but the typical armchair pilot who was used to being able to pile on 10g's at the bottom of a barrel roll nevertheless found themselves flying half an airplane.
Beyond that, there are all sorts of other aerodynamic unpleasantries stemming from its unstable design, like its propensity for quickly turning negative AoA into an inverted superstall. A quirk that I don't know if exclusive to DCS is that the Flanker becomes a real coffin anytime something bad happens -- any loss of control surfaces more often than not will induce a rapid tumble that leads to a blackout, forcing you to ride your airplane into the dirt.

It's great when flown according to the book, but it's not a carefree aircraft, and I can't help but think about the shock of going from a carefree aircraft like the F-35 to the Su-27.

Again, FWIW.

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz.

Unread postPosted: 13 Sep 2017, 16:20
by ricnunes
lbk000 wrote:For what little it's worth, like a year ago in Digital Combat Simulator the developers implemented structural strength characteristics in their Flanker and it came as an unexpected surprise to users who had for a long time neglected the real world operational restrictions that the Flanker could actually fall apart during maneuvers. A G-limiter system found on the actual aircraft was implemented a few months later, which greatly increased the safety margin, but the typical armchair pilot who was used to being able to pile on 10g's at the bottom of a barrel roll nevertheless found themselves flying half an airplane.
Beyond that, there are all sorts of other aerodynamic unpleasantries stemming from its unstable design, like its propensity for quickly turning negative AoA into an inverted superstall.


It's curious that you're mentioning DCS since currently I'm playing a campaign in DCS with the Flanker (Su-27) with of course the new "Advanced Flight Model" (or whatever the developer/ED calls it) "in tandem" with what I usually play -> Falcon BMS (currently I'm playing a default Korea map campaign with the F-16 Block 40).
Yes, the DCS new flight model for the Flanker seems to be top notch and yes, I can also confirm everything you said!


lbk000 wrote:A quirk that I don't know if exclusive to DCS is that the Flanker becomes a real coffin anytime something bad happens -- any loss of control surfaces more often than not will induce a rapid tumble that leads to a blackout, forcing you to ride your airplane into the dirt.


Yes, I also agree that this must be a bug! Once you get into one of those weird "inverted flat spins" the pilot enters in a permanent state of blackout until the aircraft inevitably crashes into the ground and the player pilot will obviously get killed.


lbk000 wrote:It's great when flown according to the book, but it's not a carefree aircraft, and I can't help but think about the shock of going from a carefree aircraft like the F-35 to the Su-27.

Again, FWIW.


I can also confirm that the Su-27 is quite a "pig" in terms of agility when it's heavily loaded with weapons and fuel.
And it's great to have this two great sims (DCS and BMS) and I also can confirm that in BMS which is in my opinion a quite better sim than DCS (except for the graphics) the F-16 agility which could also be considered a "carefree aircraft" is superior to the Su-27 in DCS when both aircraft are similarly loaded (fuel and weapons).
Even the F-15C which currently in DCS also comes with the "advanced flight model" flies better and is even more agile in some flight envelops than the Su-27 (also in DCS) - And notice that DCS is a RUSSIAN made combat flight sim :wink:

And lets not even start with the quality (or lack of it) of the Russian Air-to-Air missiles...

Moreover, the Su-27 despite having a G-limitator and some sort of flight stabilization (which I don't think it's a FBW but can be overridden BUT seriously THIS IS NOT ADVISED!!) it requires an almost constant trim pitch adjustments specially during cruise flights but also advisable while flying at very low altitudes - If you don't have a good trim pitch adjustment while flying low with the Su-27 it's quite easy to crash the aircraft into the ground :shock:

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz.

Unread postPosted: 13 Sep 2017, 18:38
by viper12
ricnunes wrote:It's curious that you're mentioning DCS since currently I'm playing a campaign in DCS with the Flanker (Su-27) with of course the new "Advanced Flight Model" (or whatever the developer/ED calls it) "in tandem" with what I usually play -> Falcon BMS (currently I'm playing a default Korea map campaign with the F-16 Block 40).
Yes, the DCS new flight model for the Flanker seems to be top notch and yes, I can also confirm everything you said!


Viper 1, Sentry 1, be advised, threat aircraft, bullseye 3-1-5, 60 miles, Angels 25

I remember the days of the 8 BLU-27's of doom, and in another version, I think one of the early FreeFalcons, you could supercruise in your F-16C Block 50/52 when RTB, with Mach 1.30 at 35-40K ft...

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz.

Unread postPosted: 13 Sep 2017, 19:32
by sprstdlyscottsmn
viper12 wrote:
ricnunes wrote:It's curious that you're mentioning DCS since currently I'm playing a campaign in DCS with the Flanker (Su-27) with of course the new "Advanced Flight Model" (or whatever the developer/ED calls it) "in tandem" with what I usually play -> Falcon BMS (currently I'm playing a default Korea map campaign with the F-16 Block 40).
Yes, the DCS new flight model for the Flanker seems to be top notch and yes, I can also confirm everything you said!


Viper 1, Sentry 1, be advised, threat aircraft, bullseye 3-1-5, 60 miles, Angels 25

I remember the days of the 8 BLU-27's of doom, and in another version, I think one of the early FreeFalcons, you could supercruise in your F-16C Block 50/52 when RTB, with Mach 1.30 at 35-40K ft...


I would routinely TFR at 100ft all the way to the target, drop eggs, then blast up to 45,000 and once I hit Mach 1.6 I would pull back to Mil and "Supercoast" to a point where home plate was 5 degrees below the horizon then idle in. good times.

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz.

Unread postPosted: 13 Sep 2017, 21:30
by ricnunes
viper12 wrote:
ricnunes wrote:It's curious that you're mentioning DCS since currently I'm playing a campaign in DCS with the Flanker (Su-27) with of course the new "Advanced Flight Model" (or whatever the developer/ED calls it) "in tandem" with what I usually play -> Falcon BMS (currently I'm playing a default Korea map campaign with the F-16 Block 40).
Yes, the DCS new flight model for the Flanker seems to be top notch and yes, I can also confirm everything you said!


Viper 1, Sentry 1, be advised, threat aircraft, bullseye 3-1-5, 60 miles, Angels 25

I remember the days of the 8 BLU-27's of doom, and in another version, I think one of the early FreeFalcons, you could supercruise in your F-16C Block 50/52 when RTB, with Mach 1.30 at 35-40K ft...


Yes, I also played older versions of Falcon, this since version 1.08 (or something like this). I also remembered to have played SuperPAK (don't remember the right version) and somehow more recently the Red Viper/Free Falcon versions.
However BMS 4.33 is a much more "advanced beast", namely on flight models which are much superior and realistic compared to all other older versions. So with BMS, no you won't be able to supercruise the F-16 :wink:
Graphics in BMS 4.33 (since 4.3x) also got a major boost and now uses Direct X9 while all older versions of Falcon used Direct X7 (if my memory doesn't fail me).

In terms of weaponry with Falcon BMS I basically use "only" the following -> GBU-31 (both Mk-84 and penetrator variants) and SDBs for fixed/static targets, GBU-12s to moving targets and AMRAAM's for Air-to-Air targets. Kinda reminds a certain other fighter aircraft's payload doesn't it :wink:

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz.

Unread postPosted: 13 Sep 2017, 21:32
by ricnunes
sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:I would routinely TFR at 100ft all the way to the target, drop eggs, then blast up to 45,000 and once I hit Mach 1.6 I would pull back to Mil and "Supercoast" to a point where home plate was 5 degrees below the horizon then idle in. good times.


The other day I was forced to do a similar mission (profile). The good days are still here :D

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz.

Unread postPosted: 13 Sep 2017, 21:45
by viper12
ricnunes wrote:
Yes, I also played older versions of Falcon, this since version 1.08 (or something like this). I also remembered to have played SuperPAK (don't remember the right version) and somehow more recently the Red Viper/Free Falcon versions.
However BMS 4.33 is a much more "advanced beast", namely on flight models which are much superior and realistic compared to all other older versions. So with BMS, no you won't be able to supercruise the F-16 :wink:
Graphics in BMS 4.33 (since 4.3x) also got a major boost and now uses Direct X9 while all older versions of Falcon used Direct X7 (if my memory doesn't fail me).

In terms of weaponry with Falcon BMS I basically use "only" the following -> GBU-31 (both Mk-84 and penetrator variants) and SDBs for fixed/static targets, GBU-12s to moving targets and AMRAAM's for Air-to-Air targets. Kinda reminds a certain other fighter aircraft's payload doesn't it :wink:


Indeed, the last version I've touched was BMS 4.32, and no supercruise at all in it. However, GBU's are too refined for me ; JSOW's or CBU's or Mk20's are better for my needs, such as...

Destroying a whole bunch of aircraft taxiing...

Mincing the 4-ship flights of choppers, even when airborne and moving...

Getting over 50 A-G kills in one mission by targetting the clumped arty battalions on the HART sites just north of the DMZ...

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz.

Unread postPosted: 13 Sep 2017, 21:52
by sprstdlyscottsmn
Perhaps we should move this discussion to a SIM thread out of respect to the late Lt. Col?

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz.

Unread postPosted: 13 Sep 2017, 22:33
by neptune
sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:Perhaps we should move this discussion to a SIM thread out of respect to the late Lt. Col?

...yes please
:oops:

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz.

Unread postPosted: 13 Sep 2017, 22:48
by ricnunes
sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:Perhaps we should move this discussion to a SIM thread out of respect to the late Lt. Col?


Sure, I fully agree. Perhaps some moderator could move our posts about simulations to another thread in the proper place.

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz.

Unread postPosted: 17 Sep 2017, 02:21
by neptune
http://alert5.com/2017/09/17/former-tes ... more-64949

...hearsay....
Former test pilot for Buran said he warned Eric Schultz a month ago Magomed Tolboyev, the test pilot for Soviet Buran space shuttle, said he had been in contact with the late Lt. Col. Eric Schultz a month ago. Tolboyev said he warned Schultz not to carry out a certain maneuver that Tolboyev had performed on a Russian aircraft. The type of aircraft and maneuver was not disclosed in the article. “You’ll perish, you can not do what I do.”
:?

Re: RIP Lt. Col. Eric Schultz.

Unread postPosted: 26 Sep 2017, 01:14
by citanon