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Unread post03 Dec 2017, 22:41

juretrn wrote:
XanderCrews wrote:Have you thought about posting something on topic again?


F-35 is bad, mmmkay?
http://www.pogo.org/straus/issues/weapo ... racts.html


In the acquisition game, contractors are playing by the rules set by the government, their customer. And they have to be very careful to play the game according to those rules, lest they 1) lose the contract and 2) if they manage to win the contract, to be penalized by the government. They also must be careful because they are audited to death by the government. The costs incurred by the contractors to comply with the myriad (mind boggling, really) of government regulations is far, far from negligible too.

So the contractor(s) create products that meet (to the best of their technical ability and limits of engineering and physics) the requirements of their customer, the government. But despite delivering a revolutionary product / weapon systems in the F-35, because they deigned to behave in a manner most beneficial to themselves and their shareholders, the F-35 contractors are bad.

Bad, contractor... bad! Greedy contractor. Evil.
Take an F-16, stir in a little A-7, bake, then sprinkle on a generous helping of F-117. What do you get? An F-35.
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Unread post03 Dec 2017, 23:14

steve2267 wrote: So the contractor(s) create products that meet (to the best of their technical ability and limits of engineering and physics) the requirements of their customer, the government. But despite delivering a revolutionary product / weapon systems in the F-35, because they deigned to behave in a manner most beneficial to themselves and their shareholders, the F-35 contractors are bad.

Bad, contractor... bad! Greedy contractor. Evil.


In the case of the repair parts for the F-35 it is even worse. The services, who are responsible for maintenance, the same services that systematically have underfunded maintenance such that readiness is atrocious, get to decide which spare parts they order. It is not like the sub-contractors are going to produce a bunch of extra parts that they hopes the government someday will buy. Think they are going to spend a huge amount buying spare parts to be ready for the F-35 when the rest of the fleet, which competes for funding out of the same pot of money, is falling apart for lack of funds. So when the services start maintaining the jets, miracle of miracles, they haven't ordered the required spare parts and it takes months to get them! Wow, didn't see that coming.

And just a note, this happened to just about every aircraft, ship, and ground vehicle procured in the last 40 years or so.
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Unread post04 Dec 2017, 00:09

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This is also a great transfer of the tax burden from Red to Blue States. With their higher per-capita wealth the Blue States pay more into the federal coffers then do the Red States. That's why from 1913 on they put a tax deduction for state, and local taxes into the federal code. The GOP has lost it's mind. This will wipe out the last of the elected republicans in the Blue states. Great idea destroy any chance for a GOP majority, and let the nutty democrats run the country.

Wtf is this transfer of taxes from "red to blue" states? What does Ohio count as? Florida? Virginia? Who do they transfer the tax burden to? If a state is 51% red does that mean it's a red state?
Comparing per capita income without considering expenses is just wrong. Alaska would be a super rich state by your standards. Is it that amazing there?




The party of Trump? Any wonder for the first time ever collage educated whites voted democrat? Trump has three chances of getting reelected. First the special counsel is struck by lightning. Second the democrats decide to run with Hillary in 2020. Third we get a huge demographic change that increases the numbers of 45 and over white males. In other words his chances are slim to none.

Trump won whites with a college degree 49% to 45%. It is correct that America will continue to vote among demographic lines in the future. The demographics will change to heavily represent HIspanics who want to turn the US into the next Mexico. Assimilation is dead. They're the ones having the babies, and our national culture and values will reflect that change, which will be a terrible thing for this country, simple as that.

I was waiting for the 8 years of the weak, and vacillating Obama to be over, so someone could start repairing the damage. Now we have to wait longer to fix the wreckage of this oaf. You talk about a shift to Asia, the Chinese are playing this fool like a fiddle. He goes to Asia, and sits on the sidelines of the Trans Pacific Partnership, looking for crumbs, while the Chinese string him along. His attention is fixed on NK, and walking a road to war, while the rest of the World passes us by.

Russia is given a free hand in the ME, while Turkey gets the F-35. Don't worry if Jared Kushner can't bring peace to the ME no one can. Don't you know the State Department doesn't need to be staffed, and ambassadors appointed, because has Trump said, he's the only one who matters. Tillerson is about to leave, but who cares? He's the worst Secretary of State ever. He willingly presided over the dismantling of the State Department. I'm so glad we elected a businessman to run things. Everything is running like a well oiled machine.


Every time I tune into FOX News I think I've entered the Mirror Mirror Universe. There the greatest problems America, and the world face are Muslims, and Illegal Aliens, who at any moment may kill all of us, and overthrow Western Civilization. Ether that or they just want to drain our tax dollars, by going on welfare, or stealing our jobs. Then there's the great threat of Black NFL Players disrespecting our flag, or is it the military who died to give us the right to protest?

There are a bunch of retards who watch Fox, just like there are retards who watch CNN and MSNBC. I'm not denying it. They are correct about this: Islam is incompatible with American society. Yes, we have a deeply flawed past. But to equate them to us is idiotic.
I live in an area where there are a bunch of minority(soon to be not minority) Mexicans and Puerto Ricans. Fine, I don't mind that. What I mind is that what I see and hear about the makeup of welfare recipients. You know how many "marginalized" people I've seen on their shiny Iphones while using their food stamps at the grocery store? When my great-grandfather came to the US, he had nothing. However, he worked hard. He worked in the coal mines so his family could have a better life. His son worked hard to get himself educated and take advantage of his sacrifices. My great-grandfather is not around now, but I don't think he would have dreamed that his offspring and their offspring and so on would become a family full of doctors, engineers, lawyers and more.
The point is, that is what his way of life was. Not this B.S "I'm entitled to this and that attitude that some of the groups in this country are bringing in. That is their way of life.



Wait, we can't protest because that would dishonor the men who died giving us the right to protest. Its all so confusing, just let Donald Trump sort it out. "Fire the SOBs." He makes it all so simple, and rallies the base at the same time. We need more good men like Judge Moore in the U.S. Senate to uphold Biblical Values, and respect for women, especially the young ones. Trump has more then done his part in that area. About a dozen women sang his praises last year, but they were all liars, not like the women who were victimized by Bill Clinton.

I completly agree that NFL players have the right to protest and kneel during the anthem. I also have the right to not watch their games. I hope others will do the same and have those f##kers out of a job after their managers can't afford to keep them around. You're correct that it rallies "the base", and with good reason.

And it goes on, and on. As Betty Davis once said. "Hang on it's going to be a bumpy ride."

I believe that their will be a culture war in the US. Call it what you want. Maybe it's conservatives vs liberals, I don't care. There are plenty of idiots on both sides. However, I believe there will be conflict be a culture of excellence vs a culture of degeneracy. So many US "liberals" seem to want to promote and bring in the latter, although I will agree many conservatives are similar.

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Unread post04 Dec 2017, 00:39

Too many politicians ascribe to the notion, "'tis better to rule in Hell than to serve in Heaven", plain and simple. Want to get elected? Promise all the losers and parasites free $hit. Just look at how many idiots were fawning all over "The Bern" because he promised them "free" healthcare, "free" education, and promised to rob the "rich" (basically anybody not on welfare) to pay for it. The country would be far better off if every last Bernie supporter were fed into a wood-chipper.
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Unread post04 Dec 2017, 01:14

XanderCrews wrote:
KamenRiderBlade wrote:Seriously, how off-topic are we going to get?



Have you thought about posting something on topic again?
Depends on what I feel like posting about.

But within this thread, it seems to have derailed further than usual.
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Unread post04 Dec 2017, 01:26

sferrin wrote:Too many politicians ascribe to the notion, "'tis better to rule in Hell than to serve in Heaven", plain and simple. Want to get elected? Promise all the losers and parasites free $hit. Just look at how many idiots were fawning all over "The Bern" because he promised them "free" healthcare, "free" education, and promised to rob the "rich" (basically anybody not on welfare) to pay for it. The country would be far better off if every last Bernie supporter were fed into a wood-chipper.
https://youtu.be/5zH9m73P9P8?t=1m42s
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Unread post04 Dec 2017, 01:39

steve2267 wrote:
juretrn wrote:
XanderCrews wrote:Have you thought about posting something on topic again?


F-35 is bad, mmmkay?
http://www.pogo.org/straus/issues/weapo ... racts.html


In the acquisition game, contractors are playing by the rules set by the government, their customer. And they have to be very careful to play the game according to those rules, lest they 1) lose the contract and 2) if they manage to win the contract, to be penalized by the government. They also must be careful because they are audited to death by the government. The costs incurred by the contractors to comply with the myriad (mind boggling, really) of government regulations is far, far from negligible too.

So the contractor(s) create products that meet (to the best of their technical ability and limits of engineering and physics) the requirements of their customer, the government. But despite delivering a revolutionary product / weapon systems in the F-35, because they deigned to behave in a manner most beneficial to themselves and their shareholders, the F-35 contractors are bad.

Bad, contractor... bad! Greedy contractor. Evil.



Turning a profit is immoral and wrong afterall
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Unread post04 Dec 2017, 01:40

KamenRiderBlade wrote:
sferrin wrote:Too many politicians ascribe to the notion, "'tis better to rule in Hell than to serve in Heaven", plain and simple. Want to get elected? Promise all the losers and parasites free $hit. Just look at how many idiots were fawning all over "The Bern" because he promised them "free" healthcare, "free" education, and promised to rob the "rich" (basically anybody not on welfare) to pay for it. The country would be far better off if every last Bernie supporter were fed into a wood-chipper.
https://youtu.be/5zH9m73P9P8?t=1m42s


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Unread post04 Dec 2017, 02:09

steve2267 wrote:In the acquisition game, contractors are playing by the rules set by the government, their customer. And they have to be very careful to play the game according to those rules, lest they 1) lose the contract and 2) if they manage to win the contract, to be penalized by the government. They also must be careful because they are audited to death by the government. The costs incurred by the contractors to comply with the myriad (mind boggling, really) of government regulations is far, far from negligible too.


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Unread post04 Dec 2017, 02:45

Hey I didn't mention cheeto Benito by name. Plus I have a nice addition to this thread.

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Unread post04 Dec 2017, 02:47

KamenRiderBlade wrote:
sferrin wrote:Too many politicians ascribe to the notion, "'tis better to rule in Hell than to serve in Heaven", plain and simple. Want to get elected? Promise all the losers and parasites free $hit. Just look at how many idiots were fawning all over "The Bern" because he promised them "free" healthcare, "free" education, and promised to rob the "rich" (basically anybody not on welfare) to pay for it. The country would be far better off if every last Bernie supporter were fed into a wood-chipper.
https://youtu.be/5zH9m73P9P8?t=1m42s


LOL! Supernatural FTW!
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Unread post04 Dec 2017, 03:21

sferrin wrote:
KamenRiderBlade wrote:
sferrin wrote:Too many politicians ascribe to the notion, "'tis better to rule in Hell than to serve in Heaven", plain and simple. Want to get elected? Promise all the losers and parasites free $hit. Just look at how many idiots were fawning all over "The Bern" because he promised them "free" healthcare, "free" education, and promised to rob the "rich" (basically anybody not on welfare) to pay for it. The country would be far better off if every last Bernie supporter were fed into a wood-chipper.
https://youtu.be/5zH9m73P9P8?t=1m42s


LOL! Supernatural FTW!
You did mention "Wood-Chipper", so I had to link that scene.
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Unread post04 Dec 2017, 03:22

XanderCrews wrote:Bad, contractor... bad! Greedy contractor. Evil.
Turning a profit is immoral and wrong afterall
LOL, that's great sarcasm =D
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Unread post04 Dec 2017, 03:39

Let’s all hold hands and say together......

'That which unites us ... is far greater than that which divides us'

Back to the basement ......

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Do yourself a favour and google “NT News best front pages” to get an idea of the quality of their work.
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Unread post04 Dec 2017, 05:30

count_to_10 wrote:Tincan, (assuming I am disentangling your quotation correctly) what gave you the impression that the proposed bill will raise anyone’s taxes?
If anything, it doesn’t go far enough: corporate taxes really shouldn’t exist at all. They are a huge and unnecessary compliance cost, and constitute the majority of corruption and cronyism at the federal level. We would be better off if corporate taxes were banned entirely, even if taxes on dividends and capital gains were raised to “compensate”.



Sorry about how my text got mangled. I was trying split the quotes, but it didn't separate them. Yes I completely agree with you, we shouldn't even have cooperate taxes. The cost is only passed onto consumers anyway. I support the FAIR Tax, which would completely do away with both corporate, and income taxes. The problem is under our current structure you can't cut corporate rates without effecting the income tax. If the blankets not big enough ether your head or you feet are going to be cold.

Taxes are going up on many people. State and local tax deductibility will shift tax obligations more to high tax states. High tax states tend to be Blue States. This will sharpen the divide between them. This will make Blue states less competitive then Red states, and hurt their economies. The political effect will be to weaken the party that represents the counter interest in those states. Why would you vote for a party that represented the interest of a different section of the country?

A generation ago both parties had left, and right wings, today not so much. In Washington members of both parties met socially, now they don't. Many debates were settled at those social events that don't happen anymore. Each party used to think of the other side as the opposition, now they tend to think of them as the enemy. It's not that their wrong their bad people. Adding sectional politics into the mix will just make it worse.

In Spain a major factor in Catalonia wanting to break away is they pay more into the federal system, and they recent it. The Blue states already pay more, if you increase their burden you increase their resentment. Regional splits over time can breakup countries. They shouldn't be encouraged. So for many reasons I think this current tax bill is a bad idea. And yes it will make it harder for us to buy large numbers of F-35s.
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