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Unread post02 Dec 2017, 04:44

:shock: And EMALS: HUGE! :roll:
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Unread post02 Dec 2017, 13:57

AKA Cheeto Benito wanted everyone to think he loves the plane because he definitely single-handedly brought down the price bigly.

And it's simply delusional to think that he'll get reelected.

And please sferrin, stop with the idiotic insults. You're running out of people who you haven't made them dislike you.
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Unread post02 Dec 2017, 15:12

Optimist, tax rates don’t actually affect the deficit much: behavior typically changes in such a way as to keep revenue more or less constant. Spending is what drives deficits, and spending is driven almost entirely by entitlements; everything else is just fiddling around the fringes.
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Unread post03 Dec 2017, 00:15

white_lightning35 wrote:And it's simply delusional to think that he'll get reelected.


I remember hearing the same thing about him being elected in the first place there, bud

Sferrin is fine in my book BTW. If that puts me in the crosshairs of unpopularity I'll manage somehow
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Unread post03 Dec 2017, 00:28

optimist wrote:As an aussie. I don't share the adoration of the trump base of poor whites.


Ahh racism.

Or even a general dem/repub bias to a great extent. I think the US is corporate owned and just swap them over now and then.


If the US is corporate owned the F-35 should be just fine. So no worries.


I gotta agree about the Russians though.

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Can't trust any association. Besides President Obama assured us multiple times in 2016 that the integrity of the elections was secure.

So again no worries
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Unread post03 Dec 2017, 02:15

count_to_10 wrote:Optimist, tax rates don’t actually affect the deficit much: behavior typically changes in such a way as to keep revenue more or less constant. Spending is what drives deficits, and spending is driven almost entirely by entitlements; everything else is just fiddling around the fringes.


They will need to adjust spending, to account for the deficit in revenue. Or the US will implode, This isn't a short term 'get less-spend more' than revenue to overcome a recession for example. There are going to be spending cuts somewhere. The military is a large pot of money, just waiting to be cut again.
My concern is if the f-35 will get caught up in this, along with the shift to the pacific, to counter China. Or is the pacific going to answer to china as the regional leader?


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Come on, you love aussies in the US. Our Murdoch owns fox news and you don't mind him telling the US what to think.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch

The US is extremely partisan divided and he still has 34% approval. whether it is misplaced, time will tell? I don't think 35% will get him re-elected. Unfolding events may not require this to be answered. His was riding on the back of poverty, racism and xenophobia. Why would my pointing out that the turn out of white, economically disadvantaged voters was in large part attributed to his win, be racist?
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Unread post03 Dec 2017, 11:28

optimist wrote:
count_to_10 wrote:Optimist, tax rates don’t actually affect the deficit much: behavior typically changes in such a way as to keep revenue more or less constant. Spending is what drives deficits, and spending is driven almost entirely by entitlements; everything else is just fiddling around the fringes.


They will need to adjust spending, to account for the deficit in revenue. Or the US will implode, This isn't a short term 'get less-spend more' than revenue to overcome a recession for example. There are going to be spending cuts somewhere. The military is a large pot of money, just waiting to be cut again.
My concern is if the f-35 will get caught up in this, along with the shift to the pacific, to counter China. Or is the pacific going to answer to china as the regional leader?


You ate spot on. This is nothing like the Reagan tax cuts in the 80s. That put money in the hands of small business people, and the middle class, and spired growth. This is actually raising taxes on people on the bottom, to put cut corporate rates. It won't promote much growth ether. Most of the money will be used to buy back stock, and inflate equity markets. The great rise on Wall Street is largely driven on the expectation of this corporate giveaway.

This is also a great transfer of the tax burden from Red to Blue States. With their higher per-capita wealth the Blue States pay more into the federal coffers then do the Red States. That's why from 1913 on they put a tax deduction for state, and local taxes into the federal code. The GOP has lost it's mind. This will wipe out the last of the elected republicans in the Blue states. Great idea destroy any chance for a GOP majority, and let the nutty democrats run the country.

The party of Trump? Any wonder for the first time ever collage educated whites voted democrat? Trump has three chances of getting reelected. First the special counsel is struck by lightning. Second the democrats decide to run with Hillary in 2020. Third we get a huge demographic change that increases the numbers of 45 and over white males. In other words his chances are slim to none.

I was waiting for the 8 years of the weak, and vacillating Obama to be over, so someone could start repairing the damage. Now we have to wait longer to fix the wreckage of this oaf. You talk about a shift to Asia, the Chinese are playing this fool like a fiddle. He goes to Asia, and sits on the sidelines of the Trans Pacific Partnership, looking for crumbs, while the Chinese string him along. His attention is fixed on NK, and walking a road to war, while the rest of the World passes us by.

Russia is given a free hand in the ME, while Turkey gets the F-35. Don't worry if Jared Kushner can't bring peace to the ME no one can. Don't you know the State Department doesn't need to be staffed, and ambassadors appointed, because has Trump said, he's the only one who matters. Tillerson is about to leave, but who cares? He's the worst Secretary of State ever. He willingly presided over the dismantling of the State Department. I'm so glad we elected a businessman to run things. Everything is running like a well oiled machine.

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Come on, you love aussies in the US. Our Murdoch owns fox news and you don't mind him telling the US what to think.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch

The US is extremely partisan divided and he still has 34% approval. whether it is misplaced, time will tell? I don't think 35% will get him re-elected. Unfolding events may not require this to be answered. His was riding on the back of poverty, racism and xenophobia. Why would my pointing out that the turn out of white, economically disadvantaged voters was in large part attributed to his win, be racist?



Every time I tune into FOX News I think I've entered the Mirror Mirror Universe. There the greatest problems America, and the world face are Muslims, and Illegal Aliens, who at any moment may kill all of us, and overthrow Western Civilization. Ether that or they just want to drain our tax dollars, by going on welfare, or stealing our jobs. Then there's the great threat of Black NFL Players disrespecting our flag, or is it the military who died to give us the right to protest?

Wait, we can't protest because that would dishonor the men who died giving us the right to protest. Its all so confusing, just let Donald Trump sort it out. "Fire the SOBs." He makes it all so simple, and rallies the base at the same time. We need more good men like Judge Moore in the U.S. Senate to uphold Biblical Values, and respect for women, especially the young ones. Trump has more then done his part in that area. About a dozen women sang his praises last year, but they were all liars, not like the women who were victimized by Bill Clinton.

And it goes on, and on. As Betty Davis once said. "Hang on it's going to be a bumpy ride."
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Unread post03 Dec 2017, 15:32

Tincan, (assuming I am disentangling your quotation correctly) what gave you the impression that the proposed bill will raise anyone’s taxes?
If anything, it doesn’t go far enough: corporate taxes really shouldn’t exist at all. They are a huge and unnecessary compliance cost, and constitute the majority of corruption and cronyism at the federal level. We would be better off if corporate taxes were banned entirely, even if taxes on dividends and capital gains were raised to “compensate”.
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Unread post03 Dec 2017, 16:48

I can not believe people still take polling and approval ratings seriously after the 2016 election.

How quickly you forget
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Unread post03 Dec 2017, 16:51

tincansailor wrote:. Then there's the great threat of Black NFL Players disrespecting our flag, or is it the military who died to give us the right to protest?

Wait, we can't protest because that would dishonor the men who died giving us the right to protest. Its all so confusing, just let Donald Trump sort it out. "Fire the SOBs." He makes it all so simple, and rallies the base at the same time. We need more good men like Judge Moore in the U.S. Senate to uphold Biblical Values, and respect for women, especially the young ones. Trump has more then done his part in that area. About a dozen women sang his praises last year, but they were all liars, not like the women who were victimized by Bill Clinton.

And it goes on, and on. As Betty Davis once said. "Hang on it's going to be a bumpy ride."
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Let me help you. Trump has the right to talk about protests, they have the right to protest, I have the right to quit watching the NFL.

You're missing the biggest point about Trump. It's being viewed as a race thing but it's more than that. Trump is taking on American counter culture. Obama was change. Trump is change it back. Literally make it great again.

There is a cultural battle in the US. race is one factor but the bigger issue is there is group in the US that wants to destroy tradition and make American into basically Europe with socialist policy. And there is the traditional group who wants to keep the US independent, keep individual rights and not regress to 1773.
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Unread post03 Dec 2017, 16:52

optimist wrote:
The US is extremely partisan divided and he still has 34% approval. whether it is misplaced, time will tell? I don't think 35% will get him re-elected. Unfolding events may not require this to be answered. His was riding on the back of poverty, racism and xenophobia. Why would my pointing out that the turn out of white, economically disadvantaged voters was in large part attributed to his win, be racist?[/color]


And you don't know there's more to it than that.

But thanks anyway

I live in a border state, it's not xenophobia. Mexico has turned into a warzone and we are seeing the results first hand. For those of us not surrounded by water in 4 sides this is a thing


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Any wonder for the first time ever collage educated whites voted democrat


The first time ever? That statement alone tells me you don't know what the hell you are talking about. But hey Ok!
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Unread post03 Dec 2017, 19:09

Seriously, how off-topic are we going to get?
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Unread post03 Dec 2017, 19:14

KamenRiderBlade wrote:Seriously, how off-topic are we going to get?

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Unread post03 Dec 2017, 20:07

KamenRiderBlade wrote:Seriously, how off-topic are we going to get?



Have you thought about posting something on topic again?
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Unread post03 Dec 2017, 22:27

XanderCrews wrote:Have you thought about posting something on topic again?


F-35 is bad, mmmkay?
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