“If the pilots of both {F-22/35} could carry a 9mm and open the canopy inflight, they would have 15 more kills per sortie,” the senior Air Force official told me. “It's like fighting Mr. Invisible.”
Some proof reading required - me likee: "...After a very thorough examination, my flight surgeon gave her ascent [consent] and I was cleared to fly...."
Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes
Posted: 01 May 2017, 17:27
by alloycowboy
spazsinbad wrote:Some proof reading required - me likee: "...After a very thorough examination, my flight surgeon gave her ascent [consent] and I was cleared to fly...."
I think the author ment to use (assent) there but his autocorrect was being egalitarian.
Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes
Posted: 01 May 2017, 18:38
by playloud
SpudmanWP wrote:
“If the pilots of both {F-22/35} could carry a 9mm and open the canopy inflight, they would have 15 more kills per sortie,” the senior Air Force official told me. “It's like fighting Mr. Invisible.”
... While the Raptor would be the most formidable fighter in the world due to its raw performance even without stealth, it’s now clear to me that even the F-35 with its mediocre kinematic performance will be an extremely dangerous foe in the air due to its low radar cross-section and sensors. “If the pilots of both could carry a 9mm and open the canopy inflight, they would have 15 more kills per sortie,” the senior Air Force official told me. “It's like fighting Mr. Invisible.”
armedupdate wrote:This proves how clueless the Eurofighter/Rafale fanboys.
Actually, wrt the F-35, Mr. Majumdar himself appears fairly clueless. Or else an anti-F-35 bias blinds him to its performance. Compared to the F-22, one may argue the F-35 has mediocre kinematic performance. But then so would all other 4 and 4+ gen aircraft. By all pilot accounts, the F-35 is at least as good as the F-16C Block 50 kinematically, yet I do not recall many sources running around describing the F-16 has having poor kinematic performance. (In fact, many would rather buy more F-16's rather than the F-35. So they must think the F-16 has decent or good kinematic performance.)
Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes
Posted: 01 May 2017, 22:10
by scx
I think that the misconceptions about the F-35 Kinematics/E-M/Maneuverability is so rooted and stuck in the public opinion that peoples think it's a fact that the F-35 has a mediocre kinematics. Another thing is the fact that it's not the full maneuverability capability yet, although the current F-35 has a good maneuverability, it is still limited by the 3i software.
Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes
Posted: 01 May 2017, 23:30
by steve2267
And yet I do not feel it is unreasonable to expect, or to hold, a journalist (or a blogger who holds himself out to be an expert) who writes on defense / aerospace issues to educate themselves on the currents capabilities of the equipment about which they write; also to challenge their own personally-held beliefs or biases if for no other reason than to try to maintain some semblance of intellectual honesty.
One would think that Mujumdar, especially after trumpeting his decade long "friendships" with Raptor pilot(s), should be capable of asking some simple questions about F-35 kinematic performance rather than simply parroting the commonly held misconception that it is a poor performer.
Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes
Posted: 02 May 2017, 19:47
by XanderCrews
Thank God he managed to get that "Mediocre" in there
Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes
Posted: 02 May 2017, 19:49
by XanderCrews
steve2267 wrote:And yet I do not feel it is unreasonable to expect, or to hold, a journalist (or a blogger who holds himself out to be an expert) who writes on defense / aerospace issues to educate themselves on the currents capabilities of the equipment about which they write; also to challenge their own personally-held beliefs or biases if for no other reason than to try to maintain some semblance of intellectual honesty.
One would think that Mujumdar, especially after trumpeting his decade long "friendships" with Raptor pilot(s), should be capable of asking some simple questions about F-35 kinematic performance rather than simply parroting the commonly held misconception that it is a poor performer.
' He whined long enough to find himself in the back of an F-15. so he could "learn first hand" ...Interesting method of rewarding critics.
... Ive been on the wrong side to get free stuff this whole time
Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes
Posted: 02 May 2017, 19:57
by spazsinbad
Slight Correction (and agree 'I'm a critic - I'm a critic - fly me - fly me!):
"...the Air Force arranged for me [Majumdar] to fly onboard a 71st FTS Northrop T-38A on an operational training sortie during the third week of Atlantic Trident 17..."
Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes
Posted: 03 May 2017, 00:30
by XanderCrews
spazsinbad wrote:Slight Correction (and agree 'I'm a critic - I'm a critic - fly me - fly me!):
"...the Air Force arranged for me [Majumdar] to fly onboard a 71st FTS Northrop T-38A on an operational training sortie during the third week of Atlantic Trident 17..."
My mistake.
Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes
Posted: 03 May 2017, 01:01
by nutshell
Easy one guys:
"Can't turn, can't climb, can't turn".
The F35 pilots should also add a sticker "i wish i could fly a Pak-Fa"
Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes
Posted: 03 May 2017, 01:08
by spazsinbad
XanderCrews wrote:Thank God he managed to get that "Mediocre" in there
Yeah I thought Dave MumbleJar was coming around to 'getting' the F-35 - he used to do so - when he was a proper reporter and not just a hit merchant but as we see perhaps - perhaps, perchance to dream....
Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes
Posted: 03 May 2017, 21:55
by firebase99
Stumbled on this forum a few weeks ago. What a great place, so much stuff going on. In any event, I love fighter jets. Fell in love with the the 4 gens growing up, etc. Recently Ive been really researching about the new stuff. This may sound like fluff, or whatnot, but I can read energy pretty good when it comes to flight. Anyway, was at an airshow in S. Carolina last week and had an F-35B there. Marine Air..VSTOL. It is the heaviest of the variants but it LOOKED like it had a SLIGHTLY bigger turning circle than F16C block 32 (The viper did his 1/4 mile 9g 360 turn) BUT appeared a bit faster, maybe 400KIAS Rate Kills...So if he wasnt sandbagging the F35 that VSTOL is a pretty serious maneuvering machine. F35A can likely do even better.
Posted: 01 May 2017, 16:50
