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Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes

Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2018, 11:50
by juretrn
So APA legit wrote SH can outperform the Flanker?
Can't wait to throw that article into a Flanker fanboys' face. :)

Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes

Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2018, 13:03
by optimist
APA have packed up their tent and moved on. Even hords/goon's twitter is a shadow of it's former lunacy. Perhaps the meds are kicking in?

Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes

Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2018, 14:18
by mixelflick
juretrn wrote:So APA legit wrote SH can outperform the Flanker?
Can't wait to throw that article into a Flanker fanboys' face. :)


I'll have to see it to believe it. IF it's true, where should I go for aviation entertainment (on the same level)? I know all about Sputnick news but Kopp and Goon reside(ed) in a higher plane of denial IMO..

Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes

Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2018, 17:49
by XanderCrews
juretrn wrote:So APA legit wrote SH can outperform the Flanker?
Can't wait to throw that article into a Flanker fanboys' face. :)



It's a critical insight into their bias as well. They wrote glowingly of the super hornet, until the RAAF bought them which threw the wrench into the F-22 for Australia agenda. Then, overnight super hornet was bad and not good enough.

So even within airpower Australia lore they are full of it. I'm actually shocked they keep the original pro super hornet piece up there

Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes

Unread postPosted: 30 Jan 2018, 02:00
by element1loop
XanderCrews wrote:It's a critical insight into their bias as well. ... which threw the wrench into the F-22 for Australia agenda. Then, overnight super hornet was bad and not good enough.

So even within airpower Australia lore they are full of it. ...


At that time Kopp described SH as a good proxy for getting F-15Es.

Crazy thing is, if you read his wet-dream wishlist for Pigs + Raptor combo, it's like reading a list of the capabilities of the SH + Lightning combo ... except the latter are actually far more capable than his wet-dream wishlist.

Abuse Peter and the wolf syndrome = No cred

Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes

Unread postPosted: 30 Jan 2018, 02:24
by zerion
nutshell wrote:Wtf is that ? :D


You haven't heard about the troglodytes?


Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes

Unread postPosted: 30 Jan 2018, 03:27
by element1loop
This ...

tailgate [F-22A pilot retired] wrote:

"... I have asked a bud of mine who is still flying [F-]15’s what were his thoughts [facing F-35 in air combat].....he said two words to me......and I quote ‘Holy Crap'. This guy has over 5 grand [5,000 hours] in the Eagle. I trust his judgement ..."

Source:
viewtopic.php?p=387036#p387036

Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes

Unread postPosted: 11 Apr 2018, 02:48
by popcorn
“It will first of all be about survival. Do you want to be the Eagle or the Chicken in an airpower confrontation?"
- Lt.Gen. Pasquale Preziosa, Italian AF CoS, on F-35 acquisition in Oct. 2013

Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes

Unread postPosted: 11 Apr 2018, 08:29
by zero-one
mixelflick wrote:"Can't turn, can't climb and can't run" is going to haunt APA for a loooong time :)


It's already starting to bite them from behind..
This quote is from the Aviationist website, a traditionally anti-F-35 blog

https://theaviationist.com/2018/04/09/t ... -it-wrong/
According to author Dr. Carlo Kopp, the F-35A dimensions are oddly similar to the F-105. But among several critical differences is the wing surface area, with the F-35A having larger wing surface area and the resultant lower wing loading than the F-105. Other major differences are the F-35A’s low observable technology and greatly advanced avionics, data collecting, processing and sharing capability. Finally, the F-35A is purpose-built for a wide range of mission sets, whereas the F-105 was predominantly a high-speed, low-level nuclear strike aircraft poorly suited for conventional strike.

Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes

Unread postPosted: 11 Apr 2018, 15:37
by steve2267
zero-one wrote:
https://theaviationist.com/2018/04/09/t ... -it-wrong/
According to author Dr. Carlo Kopp, the F-35A dimensions are oddly similar to the F-105. But among several critical differences is the wing surface area, with the F-35A having larger wing surface area ...


"Larger wing surface area"? Then the dimensions aren't so similar...

Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes

Unread postPosted: 11 Apr 2018, 15:45
by zero-one
Actually even the dimensions aren't similar at all

F-35A:
Length: 50.5 ft (15.67 m)
Wingspan: 35 ft (10.7 m)
Height: 14.2 ft(4.33 m)
Wing area: 460 ft² (42.7 m²)

F-105D:
Length: 64 ft 4.75 in (19.63 m)
Wingspan: 34 ft 11.25 in (10.65 m)
Height: 19 ft 8 in (5.99 m)
Wing area: 385 ft² (35.76 m²)

Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes

Unread postPosted: 11 Apr 2018, 16:25
by element1loop
Forget it, Kopp was using the similitude as assertion only to paint (smear and denigrate) the F-35A with a dismissive "bomb truck" lable, implying it to be a desasterous option, and the RAAF had no clue what it was doing, and dearly needed Carli to guide them to the deeper truths. Way too much time has been wasted talking about that guys' warped dead-wrong partisan agendas and denial of a plethora of facts and counterpoint.

Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes

Unread postPosted: 13 Apr 2018, 17:13
by mixelflick
Personally, I'm enjoying all the crow Pierre Sprey, APA etc are eating. And it's only going to get worse for them...

I for one am really jazzed watching the USAF, Marines, allies and soon the Navy take delivery of a brand new fighter jet. I was too young to understand what was going on when the F-15/16 entered service - though I came to love those aircraft. The F-16 went IOC in what, 1979? The F-15 well before that and of course the F-14 toward the end of Vietnam. Even when the F-18 was new (1982) I couldn't grasp what a jump in lethality those jets brought.

But I'm 48 now, and can clearly understand the F-35's importance. Exciting times, watching it mature and such. The 20:1 kill ratio reports from Red Flag. The Paris display. The eventual combat record. I'm so happy for the men who fly her, and everyone that's involved with the program really. Given my age, it's probably the last time I'll see a new "fighter" introduced. Sobering thought, but I'll die easier knowing American air power is still leaps and bounds ahead of the threat...

Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes

Unread postPosted: 13 Apr 2018, 23:20
by popcorn
Can we please get back to F-35 favorite quotes?

Re: Favorite F-35 Quotes

Unread postPosted: 13 Apr 2018, 23:38
by popcorn
"Everything they see becomes the F-35 out there...Every radar hit, every communication is about the stealth jet. They want to illuminate or eliminate a threat they can't handle...It has nothing to do with their skill or technology. They're at such a technological disadvantage... I've seen guys in F-18s turn directly in front of me and show me their tails cause they have no idea I'm there...It aggregates to a completely inept response to what we're doing in the air..People are so hellbent on shooting down the stealth fighter that they invariably make mistakes that I can exploit."

- Maj. Dan Flatley, USMC( ret.)