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Unread post12 Sep 2018, 04:17

Video Quote excerpts from 'operaaperta' video post at end of August above on this page in this thread....

F-35A Lt.Col MAU Range & Speed Quote 'Views from the Cockpit' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDRVDdBpc0c

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Unread post12 Sep 2018, 05:17

Nice.... :D
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Unread post12 Sep 2018, 12:37

Regarding the long legs of the F-35 and having a longer range than the F-15E for example is IMO no surprise at all.

If one may notice, I don't think it was "by chance" (or because of "economics") that the development of the F-35's external fuel tanks was postponed (or cancelled?).
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post12 Sep 2018, 14:24

ricnunes wrote:Regarding the long legs of the F-35 and having a longer range than the F-15E for example is IMO no surprise at all.

If one may notice, I don't think it was "by chance" (or because of "economics") that the development of the F-35's external fuel tanks was postponed (or cancelled?).


F15 with or without external tanks?
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Unread post12 Sep 2018, 14:40

aasm wrote:
ricnunes wrote:Regarding the long legs of the F-35 and having a longer range than the F-15E for example is IMO no surprise at all.

If one may notice, I don't think it was "by chance" (or because of "economics") that the development of the F-35's external fuel tanks was postponed (or cancelled?).


F15 with or without external tanks?


Well, in the "Israel Pays for Additional F-35s" thread (here: viewtopic.php?f=58&t=29374&start=375 ) you can read the following (posted by Corsair1963):

Plus, comments made by "Lt. Col. David “Chip” Berke, USMC (Ret), former F-22 and F-35B pilot now the Force Management Branch Chief on the Joint Staff J-8, and Lt. Col. Scott “CAP” Gunn, USAF, the commander of the 33rd Operational Support Squadron at Eglin AFB, Fla., discuss the capabilities of the F-35 Lightning II fighter with Defense & Aerospace Report Editor Vago Muradian after the conclusion of a panel discussion on 5th generation combat aircraft sponsored by the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies at the US Capitol."

Q: "How's the range of the aircraft from an operator perspective?"

CAP: "I think people that say it doesn't have the range are someone that probably looks at a single-engine aircraft and think so it's just an F-16. It aint an F-16.

I fly on a regular basis two training stories worth of training that I would do in an F-15C model with two external tanks on it. So I would go up go out and do one offensive push where we do basically one offensive strike into the area and out and hey I'm bingo I've got to go home on fuel with the F-15C.


When reading above and specially the part which I put on bold and underline, one can reach the conclusion that the F-35 has either similar or even better range than a F-15C with two (2) external fuel tanks.
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post12 Sep 2018, 14:58

I disagree, and read it this way...

The F-35 is capable of performing 2 "offensive pushes" to the F-15's 1. Which is to say, the F-35 has far better range than an F-15C with 2 external tanks.

Either way, the F-35's range is truly impressive. 18,000lbs of gas, 1 engine and incredible lift provided by the whole airframe. Plus, no drag when using internal weapons... :)
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Unread post12 Sep 2018, 15:07

F-15C with two external tanks is a DOG compared to the F-35A according to USAF Lt.Col CAP GUNN former F-15C pilote….

F-35A Range Quote Pilots Berke Gunn + Muradian 10 Nov 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX-rlGDcU9A

RAN FAA A4G Skyhawk 1970s: https://www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ AND https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/
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Unread post12 Sep 2018, 15:48

mixelflick wrote:I disagree, and read it this way...

The F-35 is capable of performing 2 "offensive pushes" to the F-15's 1. Which is to say, the F-35 has far better range than an F-15C with 2 external tanks.

Either way, the F-35's range is truly impressive. 18,000lbs of gas, 1 engine and incredible lift provided by the whole airframe. Plus, no drag when using internal weapons... :)


Yes, I agree with you and after reading it again, yes you're right.

Anyway your better interpreted view of the previous quote clearly answers aasm's question of: "(F-35 better range than) F15 with or without external tanks?" and the (clear) answer seems to be:
- With external fuel tanks.
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post12 Sep 2018, 18:54

The 590nm refers to the estimated range during SDD. The latest SAR puts the "demonstrated" combat radius for the F-35A (with ~4700lbs of internal stores) at 669nm and a recent LM do puts the A2A (~1500lbs of internal stores) combat radius at 760nm.
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Unread post20 Sep 2018, 05:20

Traditional combat dogma measures aerial combat in terms of kinematics. In other words, how fast and high can an aircraft go as well as how many Gs can it pull. The F-16 Fighting Falcon, F-18 Super Hornet and even the more recent Eurofighter Typhoon all operate according to these principles. But with a subsonic top speed of 700 knots and reaching a speed of 1.6 Mach, as well as the ability to sustain 9 Gs, the Lightning II more than holds its own in the dogfights that dominate traditional battle spaces.

“(It) flies like an F-15, fights like an F-18,” said Billie Flynn, a former Hornet pilot in the Canadian Air Force and now a Lightning II test pilot for Lockheed.


Although the Lightning II is not designed specifically for traditional dogfights, it has pitch authority comparable to the Super Hornet, which allows the aircraft pilot to get inside the turning radius of his opponent. In other words, it can bring its nose to bear on a target very quickly. Although Flynn was hesitant to reveal details, he did admit its capabilities were similar to the Raptor, which can swing its nose around while remaining virtually still. Of course, the Lightning II might be better, he hinted with a grin.

“That fight we thought we had in the legacy world, it’s Top Gun, isn’t it? Really never got any more sophisticated than that, with missiles…that shoot more than 90 degrees off your shoulder. That fight doesn’t happen anymore. That fight happens in a heartbeat – I look over and I kill you. It’s over; that’s it,” Flynn said.

https://ramblernewspapers.com/2014/01/f ... l-warfare/
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Unread post20 Sep 2018, 05:46

:applause: Nice find - thanks for this. I'm warming to the bug-eyed boyo FLYNN. :mrgreen: Good quotes in story for sure.
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Unread post20 Sep 2018, 06:14

Although Flynn was hesitant to reveal details, he did admit its capabilities were similar to the Raptor, which can swing its nose around while remaining virtually still. Of course, the Lightning II might be better, he hinted with a grin.

Billie is such a tease
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Unread post20 Sep 2018, 07:20

Heheh. He does get HET up - lookie this 'brungit' video for a quotable quote just posted by 'Corsair1963' in another thread.

Billy Flynn F-35 Top Speed [& Top Weight/Fuel/Arms] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_b6vCOLLz8

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Unread post20 Sep 2018, 07:25

Brig. Gen. Scott Pleus, 56th Fighter Wing Commander

"If you were to engage an F-35 in say, a visual dogfight capability," he added, "the capabilities of the F-35 are absolutely eye-watering compared to a fourth-generation fighter."

"The airplane has unbelievable maneuvering characteristics that make it completely undefeatable in an air-to-air environment. So if it's a long-range contact, you'll never see me and you'll die, and if it's within visual-range contact you'll see me and you're gonna die and you're gonna die very quickly,"

https://www.businessinsider.com/general ... f35-2017-1
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Unread post20 Sep 2018, 07:34

Not as agile as the Super Hornet nor as fast as the Typhoon? Don’t you believe it, says Lockheed Martin test pilot Billie Flynn. He will put the F-35A through its paces at Le Bourget this week, proving that the aircraft is more maneuverable than any he has flown, he says, including Boeing’s F/A-18, the Eurofighter, and his own company’s F-16 Viper.

The F-35’s maneuverability is all the more impressive because, unlike the F-16s that perform at air shows, the Joint Strike Fighter flying the demonstration this week is fully combat-ready. Flynn’s F-35A will move easily through complex aerial maneuvers loaded with everything it needs to go to war.

“All of those airplanes that do air shows—the Hornet, Viper—they are all slicked off without all the external stores,” Flynn said. “They are a party trick at an air show, versus a combat-configured F-22 or F-35.”

The flight demonstration is carefully scripted to highlight the kinematic capabilities of the F-35A, particularly its slow-speed handling qualities, said Flynn. He will start with an afterburner takeoff, almost immediately pointing his nose to the sky and letting the aircraft climb away essentially vertically. This impressive move is unique to the F-22 and the F-35, he said.


http://aviationweek.com/defense/f-35-de ... nformation
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