Turkey negotiating with SEDEF Shipyard for 2nd Light Carrier

tincansailor · by **tincansailor** » 01 Nov 2017, 02:12

sunstersun wrote:I'm just gonna go ahead and guess there will never be an international order for the C variant.

The only ally of the US that operates steam catapults is France.

Maybe Japan one day? ^^

I don't think France will ever buy the F-35C, their committed to Rafale. It's going to be some time before Japan builds a Super carrier.

tincansailor · by **tincansailor** » 01 Nov 2017, 02:15

Lets hope we never sell any F-35s of any kind to Turkey. It would be bad for the national security of every country in the region.

sunstersun · by **sunstersun** » 01 Nov 2017, 03:23

popcorn wrote:Of the two, India and Japan, which is more likely to acquire a CATOBAR CV ahead of the other?

It depends on if Abe can amend the constitution.

But I would say India, they already got approval for EMALS.

popcorn · by **popcorn** » 01 Nov 2017, 03:56

Which explains my 'India first" comment.

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 01 Nov 2017, 07:46

sunstersun wrote:
popcorn wrote:
sunstersun wrote:I'm just gonna go ahead and guess there will never be an international order for the C variant.

The only ally of the US that operates steam catapults is France.

Maybe Japan one day? ^^

India first.

India ain't operating a C variant of the F-35 for a long long while. They need a plane compatible with their STOBAR carrier.

B's for sure.

Indian Ski Jump Carriers (STOBAR) have Arresting Gear. So, they could easily operate F-35C's. In addition the forthcoming INS Vishal (IAC-II) will have both Catapults and Arresting Gear. (CATOBAR) Then why have a mixed fleet of Lightning's??? When the "C" can operate from both designs....

XanderCrews · by **XanderCrews** » 01 Nov 2017, 13:52

geokav wrote:How much did you get paid to post your propaganda...???
Are you paid in a regular monthly payroll, or is it by the piece...?

Looking to switch employers?

XanderCrews · by **XanderCrews** » 01 Nov 2017, 13:56

Please keep in mind the F-35C is hefty. It Can not operate on the French carrier as the Brits quickly found.

There is more to the situation than just having cats and traps

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 01 Nov 2017, 15:28

XanderCrews wrote:Please keep in mind the F-35C is hefty. It Can not operate on the French carrier as the Brits quickly found.

There is more to the situation than just having cats and traps

Exactly. Indians were pondering use of the Super Hornet with Ski Jump 'n Trap with BOING! saying they were good but....?

usnvo · by **usnvo** » 04 Nov 2017, 21:24

XanderCrews wrote:Please keep in mind the F-35C is hefty. It Can not operate on the French carrier as the Brits quickly found.

There is more to the situation than just having cats and traps

True, but if you are designing from scratch, you can ensure that your decks are large enough and strong enough, cats are powerful enough (instead of the C13-3s on the CdG), elevators are sized accordingly, arresting gear is equal to the task, angled deck is of appropriate size, hanger deck is high enough, etc. Even if you are modifying an existing design, it is not so tough unless you have half the ship already built to a different standard when you start. There is nothing magical about designing a carrier to accommodate the F-35C, EMALS, AAG, or anything else, but it helps to start knowing that you are designing to accommodate all those things.

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 04 Nov 2017, 21:48

I PLUG this small PDF a lot because it encapsulates the issues for the F-35B/C using flat decks (usually existing): attached

The Influence of Ship Configuration on the Design of the Joint Strike Fighter 26 Feb 2002
http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA399988 (1Mb)

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 06 Nov 2017, 01:37

sunstersun wrote:
popcorn wrote:
sunstersun wrote:I'm just gonna go ahead and guess there will never be an international order for the C variant.

The only ally of the US that operates steam catapults is France.

Maybe Japan one day? ^^

India first.

India ain't operating a C variant of the F-35 for a long long while. They need a plane compatible with their STOBAR carrier.

B's for sure.

Who says the F-35C wouldn't be compatible with a Ski Jump Carrier??? (i.e. STOBAR)

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 06 Nov 2017, 01:39

popcorn wrote:Of the two, India and Japan, which is more likely to acquire a CATOBAR CV ahead of the other?

Clearly, India with the forthcoming INS Vishal (i.e. IAC-II). While, Japan has no "firm" plans for such a type.

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 06 Nov 2017, 01:42

tincansailor wrote:
sunstersun wrote:I'm just gonna go ahead and guess there will never be an international order for the C variant.

The only ally of the US that operates steam catapults is France.

Maybe Japan one day? ^^

I don't think France will ever buy the F-35C, their committed to Rafale. It's going to be some time before Japan builds a Super carrier.

I don't see France acquiring the F-35C in the short term. Yet, considering the capabilities of such types over current 4/4.5 Generation Fighters. I wouldn't rule it out long term thought....

neptune · by **neptune** » 06 Nov 2017, 04:22

Corsair1963 wrote:...I don't see France acquiring the F-35C in the short term. Yet, considering the capabilities of such types over current 4/4.5 Generation Fighters. I wouldn't rule it out long term thought....

....IMHO, the F-35A is more likely to be the first squadrons implemented (if ever) by France to support their allies across NATO. I would wait until the Brits have seasoned the QE with the "Bees", before I would consider another maritine a/c to replace the Rafales (CATOBAR, or not).

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 06 Nov 2017, 04:26

neptune wrote:
Corsair1963 wrote:...I don't see France acquiring the F-35C in the short term. Yet, considering the capabilities of such types over current 4/4.5 Generation Fighters. I wouldn't rule it out long term thought....

....IMHO, the F-35A is more likely to be the first squadrons implemented (if ever) by France to support their allies across NATO. I would wait until the Brits have seasoned the QE with the "Bees", before I would consider another maritine a/c to replace the Rafales (CATOBAR, or not).

Well, France could acquire a small number of F-35A's and/or F-35C's. To give them a first strike capability. As without them the FAF and FN will becomes a second rate Air Force post 2030. (if not before)