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Unread post18 Jul 2018, 22:34

gta4 wrote:Well I have test reports showing F/A-18E/F can exceed 100 deg AOA and achieve 80deg/sec pitch rate, if that is called cobra.


The YF-17 Cobra was actually able to do it back in the 70s.
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Unread post19 Jul 2018, 02:23

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zero-one wrote:There are exceptions. I remember watching an Eagle demo done in Russia from the USAF Eagle demo team, that one was specially aggressive. Raptor demo in RIAT 2009 was also exceptional.


That the one where the Eagle lost part of a vertical stab skin? :shock:



Something about a clean Eagle transitioning into the vertical in full re-heat gives me goose bumps. First time I ever saw an F-15 in person at a local airshow in the mid 80's. He was doing his thing, unloaded, gave it some smash, pulled into the vertical, thinking he was gonna do an Immelman but nope....just....kept....going.
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Unread post19 Jul 2018, 13:02

lrrpf52 wrote:Airshows bring the most entertainment to the spastic kid bouncing up and down while screeching louder than an F-4 in full burner. They have very little to do with actual combat performance, and I think we all know this.

The Russians seem to satisfy that type of audience better than anyone else, especially knowing that you're likely to see their ejection systems at work.

A Sukhoi design bureau engineer said it best in response to a radio host interviewing him, when he brought up the Cobra maneuver. The engineer cut him off quickly...

"Sasha, Sasha. Listen. Airshows are for school-aged child to watch and get excitement. They have nothing to do with real combat."


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Unread post19 Jul 2018, 18:48

So looking at pictures of the heritage team last year and earlier this year they flew 5036-5037 F-35A's, RIAT was 5164, so Block 3F seems very much confirmed for RIAT.

Edit: looking at the database, 5164 was delivered earlier this year, talk about brand new lol.
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Unread post19 Jul 2018, 23:23

firebase99 wrote:
sferrin wrote:
zero-one wrote:There are exceptions. I remember watching an Eagle demo done in Russia from the USAF Eagle demo team, that one was specially aggressive. Raptor demo in RIAT 2009 was also exceptional.


That the one where the Eagle lost part of a vertical stab skin? :shock:



Something about a clean Eagle transitioning into the vertical in full re-heat gives me goose bumps. First time I ever saw an F-15 in person at a local airshow in the mid 80's. He was doing his thing, unloaded, gave it some smash, pulled into the vertical, thinking he was gonna do an Immelman but nope....just....kept....going.


Ditto for me. Saw my first Eagle demo in 1987, the boys from Langley came to Westfield MA and I was... in awe. Seemed to go higher and climb faster than anything else, even the F-16 which I had seen prior. At that time, there wasn't any info on Fulcrums or Flankers. Even at that age, I knew it far outclassed the Mig-21, 23 and 25. As far as I was concerned, it was the best in the world. And in 1987, it just may have been...
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Unread post20 Jul 2018, 02:20

citanon wrote:If you guys still aren't sick of seeing the RIAT F35, this one has probably the clearest 4K video:


I would say even in the eyes of a layman (a spectator), this video is far more aggressive and exciting than the Su-27 display at RIAT.

Not fair to compare it with Su-35 since Su-35 has thrust vectoring. This is probably the best display you could get for a non-TVC jet. Anyway, I have never seen a Su-35 make a reversal as aggressively as F-35 does at 3:20 in this video.
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Unread post20 Jul 2018, 04:56

gta4 wrote: This is probably the best display you could get for a non-TVC jet. Anyway, I have never seen a Su-35 make a reversal as aggressively as F-35 does at 3:20 in this video.


The roll and pitch at 3:10 caught my eye, especially that pitch (3:12 or so).
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Unread post21 Jul 2018, 09:01

To me an airshow highlights an aircraft's flight performance under ideal conditions. (clean, sea level). Difference is 5th gens can go to combat at ideal conditions or very close to it.

Someone compared the sustained turn routine of the Viper to the F-35. Notice how the F-35 completes it's 180 much faster than the F-16. And even if the Viper leveled out first (partly because the F-35 looks like it stayed in the turn a little longer after completing the 360) it goes to show that a clean F-16 can only slightly edge the F-35. Not bad for a plane that "can't turn"

And if I'm not mistaken, this was taken at a time where the F-35 was still limited to 7Gs.

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Unread post21 Jul 2018, 16:33

The F-35's performance will only get better as the F135 continues to evolve; possibly the introduction of a variable cycle engine
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Unread post22 Jul 2018, 09:21

Post this GIF and it will end most F-35 haters' shit-talks.
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Unread post28 Jul 2018, 23:39

mixelflick wrote:Ditto for me. Saw my first Eagle demo in 1987, the boys from Langley came to Westfield MA and I was... in awe. Seemed to go higher and climb faster than anything else, even the F-16 which I had seen prior. At that time, there wasn't any info on Fulcrums or Flankers. Even at that age, I knew it far outclassed the Mig-21, 23 and 25. As far as I was concerned, it was the best in the world. And in 1987, it just may have been...


This one is pretty aggressive as well: (5 sec takoff roll)



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Unread post28 Jul 2018, 23:43

Back when I was a kid (80's) if you went to an airshow you just didn't know what types of aircraft would be there. There were so many different airframes (unlike today......). It was (almost) like winning the lottery, that is if you loved aviation and dreamed of being a fighter pilot.

I always remember trying to see just how many different variants of Phantoms would be there. Awesome times :D
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Unread post28 Jul 2018, 23:46

gta4 wrote:Anyway, I have never seen a Su-35 make a reversal as aggressively as F-35 does at 3:20 in this video.


F-22 doing basically the same maneuver (2:38):

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Unread post28 Jul 2018, 23:47

Watching the recent videos of the F-35A at RIAT is beginning to make me think that the jet has a bit more smash (thrust) than the Air Force is letting on
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Unread post28 Jul 2018, 23:51

jetblast16 wrote:Watching the recent videos of the F-35A at RIAT is beginning to make me think that the jet has a bit more smash (thrust) than the Air Force is letting on



They always say 42k-43k but I've seen at least one source say 48k and P&W themselves have said it's been run at over 50k on the bench.
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