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Unread postPosted: 28 Sep 2013, 20:12
by XanderCrews
sferrin wrote:"haavarla" sounds upset. :lol:


Zampolits are ever vigilant.

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Unread postPosted: 28 Sep 2013, 20:35
by arrow-nautics
cantaz wrote:Abbotsford International Airshow, British Columbia, Canada. :mrgreen:


No no no, it should be at Canadian Forces Base Shearwater, Nova Scotia, Canada :mrgreen:

Unread postPosted: 28 Sep 2013, 21:02
by spazsinbad
Now that is a neat function 'verylongnamewotIcannotremember' : http://lmgtfy.com :D

Unread postPosted: 29 Sep 2013, 01:22
by haavarla
="XanderCrews"]
What is a snap take-off?


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=f-22+snap+takeoff


Lol! That is a take-off... and that is what Your Google found as well.

So again, what is a Snap Take-off?


And what is a Power loop??


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=F-22+power+loop

Is this some newly invented LM trade or..?


Lol, as i thought:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22_Raptor_Demo_Team

It looks you learned to Google. Nice. The only remaining thing for you now is to read what you Googled..


yes Mr. Larsen, if you haven't heard of something it was invented by LM. LM has invented a lot of things apparently...


Regardless of Your weird LM phrases on these manuevers. The Flanker can do them all and more. Actuall, The Flankers did them over 10 years earlier.

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Unread postPosted: 29 Sep 2013, 01:36
by arrow-nautics
It's possible there might be a JSF variant at an airshow sooner than some might think. Airshows allows branding & commercial exposure. Too bad no one will be able to get past the leader posts & ropes. When I was a kid, we were allowed to look in the cockpits of fighters. That won't be happening with the JSF :( I also imagine Agent Smith to be on guard. Maybe the other agent will be Daniel CraigImage

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Unread postPosted: 29 Sep 2013, 02:57
by Corsair1963
sferrin wrote:
sasheska wrote:There should have been one at MAKS2013, just to piss off Sukhoi.


If they're smart we'll never see an F-22 or F-35 at MAKS.



Would you care to explain???

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Unread postPosted: 29 Sep 2013, 03:07
by JetTest
I would like to see a reputable source that says a cobra has any application in the real world. In a real fight it looks like suicide, nothing more than a stunt to wow an uneducated crowd.

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Unread postPosted: 29 Sep 2013, 03:37
by spazsinbad
The COBRA defeated in this 'suicide scenaro':

Air-to-Air Fighter Combat Application of Pugachev’s Cobra Maneuver: Busting the Western Myth
19 Mar 2011 David Crane
"...The accompanying image (on right) is a graphical demonstration brief of how the Cobra maneuver can be used to shoot down the opposition in a dogfight (air-to-air combat). You’ll see it graphically demonstrates the following sequence:

1) Russian fighter pilot identifies target fighter aircraft location and speed.

2) Pilot gets a radar lock on target aircraft using the helmet sight cursor.

3) On flight/fire control command, pilot begins Cobra maneuver while IRS&T (Infrared Search & Track) continues to track the target aircraft.

4) Pilot launches air-to-air missile “over the shoulder”. The missile “knows” the expected target aircraft track.

[At this stage no.4 our friendly fighter pilot comments: “...friendly fighter sees stationary COBRAing target & guns it, thus breaking the TWS (Thermal Weapon Sight) on the Russian missile...”]

5) The pilot pitches his fighter aircraft down and continues on mission while the missile intercepts the target fighter aicraft...."

http://www.defensereview.com/the-air-to ... f-pugachev’s-cobra-maneuver-busting-the-western-myth/

http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content ... Brief1.jpg

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Unread postPosted: 29 Sep 2013, 03:47
by count_to_10
So, this would be an IRST that can point itself down past a right angle with respect to the airframe?
Aren't the Russian IRST on a fixed mount in the nose?

Otherwise, how exactly did the Cobra improve the odds of winning the "dogfight" over just firing while flying forward? What prevents the opponent from shooting down the now much less energetic aircraft?

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Unread postPosted: 29 Sep 2013, 15:31
by cantaz
No no no, it should be at Canadian Forces Base Shearwater, Nova Scotia, Canada :mrgreen:


The only way to be fair is for a cross-Canada tour stopping at all the major bases. :wink:

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Unread postPosted: 29 Sep 2013, 18:20
by JetTest
And what, exactly, is it supposed to be adding to his missle shot? Looks like it just makes him more vulnerable to his intended targets wing, as he is left with such low energy. Looks like a sitting duck to me.

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Unread postPosted: 29 Sep 2013, 19:56
by awsome
Do some of you not understand that the Dept of the Navy and the Dept of the Air Force have pretty much put a moratorium on hosting airshows, having military airplanes at airshows, and doing flyovers for airshows? If you don't like this, then why haven't you written you Congressman and Senator?(quote)

Cancelling military involvement in airshows is absolutely the right thing to do right now. At a time when manpower is being reduced and there are federal government furloughs it is important to demonstrate to our federal employees that everything that can be cut is being cut.

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Unread postPosted: 29 Sep 2013, 23:56
by count_to_10
awsome wrote:Do some of you not understand that the Dept of the Navy and the Dept of the Air Force have pretty much put a moratorium on hosting airshows, having military airplanes at airshows, and doing flyovers for airshows? If you don't like this, then why haven't you written you Congressman and Senator?(quote)

Cancelling military involvement in airshows is absolutely the right thing to do right now. At a time when manpower is being reduced and there are federal government furloughs it is important to demonstrate to our federal employees that everything that can be cut is being cut.

When it comes down to it, air shows are a political operation, which the Air Force and Navy should only be spending resources on at times when-- and to the extent that-- there is a political pay off.

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Unread postPosted: 30 Sep 2013, 00:12
by spazsinbad
For the airshow deprived...

Rafale - solo demo - Sanicole Sunset Airshow


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Unread postPosted: 30 Sep 2013, 01:53
by sferrin
Corsair1963 wrote:
sferrin wrote:
sasheska wrote:There should have been one at MAKS2013, just to piss off Sukhoi.


If they're smart we'll never see an F-22 or F-35 at MAKS.



Would you care to explain???


It shouldn't need one. Why would we ever want to give the Russians a free look with every sensor they could drag to MAKS?