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Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 05 Nov 2019, 10:39
by gta4
F-35 demo maneuver description:
https://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/a ... ackage.pdf

F-35 is taking HUGE amount of fuel when taking off.

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 05 Nov 2019, 10:48
by spazsinbad
Thanks for finding this info - great stuff indeed. GO DOJO!

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 05 Nov 2019, 15:41
by sprstdlyscottsmn
Awesome stuff

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 06 Nov 2019, 11:37
by doge
gta4 wrote:F-35 demo maneuver description:
https://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/a ... ackage.pdf
F-35 is taking HUGE amount of fuel when taking off.

Nice and interesting discovery by gta4. :applause:

The points that caught my interest. ; MIN RADIUS TURN
F-35 MIN RADIUS TURN.png

It's written as 5-7G or 7.5G. (I am not knowledge about Turns at all.)
It's not 9G... That is, Does that mean the F-35A hasn't made a sustained turn yet "seriously"? At the air show. 8) (Expectation)

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 06 Nov 2019, 13:59
by sprstdlyscottsmn
Min radius is not max sustained G

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 06 Nov 2019, 15:05
by doge
sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:Min radius is not max sustained G

Ouch :doh: Thanks. :notworthy:

Take a fresh start, I'm going to post an Airshow video. 8) F-35A flew Jacksonville AirShow 2019.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXhEcJ4Ft_Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApKSXXnsgJY

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 06 Nov 2019, 15:21
by sprstdlyscottsmn
The vapes on the frame for the bottom video....

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 06 Nov 2019, 17:41
by spazsinbad
For VAPES on a PLANE rather than SNAKES: NDIA magazine Cover Page Photo: (single page attached below + cropped JPG) http://cdn.coverstand.com/46185/591184/ ... e88a5b.pdf (10Mb)

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 08 Nov 2019, 04:30
by jetblast16


Original video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG6ZTLPhGJU


Crank the volume on this one. Awesome sounding. Interesting perspective additionally.

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 08 Nov 2019, 08:27
by element1loop
jetblast16 wrote:Awesome sounding. Interesting perspective additionally.


At first I'm thinking that's a ducting layer reflection creating a delayed sound, then it sounds like someone's added a stereo-delay modulation post production. When I looked at the waveform you can see that two separate microphones were used separated by a bit of distance, to provide a continuously varying delay as the jet maneuvers about the sky. The two mics are in phase but picking up quite different crackles and wind shrieks due to physical separation distance. Nice trick.

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 11 Nov 2019, 22:41
by doge
spazsinbad wrote:A CVN is prolly the best 'farping thingo' for the F-35C and meanwhile back to the AIRSHOWS....
EdinburghAirShow2019: Saturday 9 and Sunday 10 November
"...The Air Show will commemorate the Centenary of the epic flight in November 1919 of notable South Australians Sir Ross Smith and his brother, Sir Keith Smith, who flew from England to Australia in 1919 in a Vickers Vimy to win the Great Air Race...." https://www.airforce.gov.au/exercises/e ... irshow2019

"...Air Force Head of Air Shows, Air Commodore Christopher Sawade, said the Edinburgh Air Show will showcase a wide variety of fast jet, transport and rotary wing aircraft. “Our newest maritime patrol aircraft, the Edinburgh-based P-8A Poseidon, will have pride of place alongside our fast jets – including the F/A-18 Hornet – and heavy lift aircraft like the C-17A Globemaster,” Air Commodore Sawade said. “The F-35A Joint Strike Fighter will also be on display for the first time in Adelaide.” Senior ADF Officer, Air Commodore Phil Gordon, said he was proud to be hosting the Air Show at RAAF Base Edinburgh. “This will be the first ADF Air Show at RAAF Base Edinburgh in 12 years,” Air Commodore Gordon said. “Crowds can expect to see more than four hours of flying displays on each day, featuring Air Force, Navy and Army aircraft...." https://www.ticketmaster.com.au/edinbur ... st/2657944

RAAF F-35A flew at Edinburgh Adelaide Airshow 2019. 8) (From F-35 appearance @23:30~.)
Slightly Unlike the U.S.Demo Team Mr.DOJO, can see the rare High-Rate Climb and Min Radius Turn of RAAF's unique. (cool)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfQXGjH-42Y

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 11 Nov 2019, 23:13
by doge
The F-35C flew at Blue Angels 2019 Homecoming Air Show. 8) (F-35C takeoff is from @15:00~.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e56A3E0fYEY

<<<<<<<<Attention!!>>>>>>>>
Please look at @18:10~ Absolutely !!!! :crazypilot: (Don't miss!!!! This is precious!!!!! Ultra Rare!!!!!)
F-35C is performing the Minimum Radius Turn!!!!! :shock: (Probably, the first time?)

To me, it looks exactly just 20 seconds or 19.XX seconds range until the 360 deg round turn is complete. :shock: wow!!! (Amazingly Amazing)
Even when compared to other fighters, its Min Radius Turn or Sustained Turn, to me looks very very Fast, Short Time, Quickly...!!!! :applause: (C is...The Heavy Miracle Monster!!)

On the other hand, the Minimum Radius Turn time of Demo Team Mr.DOJO F-35A that I often see is about 22~24 seconds. (maybe)
That is...C takes less time than A... !!?? :!: :?: (confusion) Oh my Goodness!!!! :doh: (What’s happening !?)
Why is C so fast!?!? :roll: Does it involve C's Long Wings!? I don't know... (excited)

I be surprised by C! :doh:

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 12 Nov 2019, 09:15
by wrightwing
doge wrote:The F-35C flew at Blue Angels 2019 Homecoming Air Show. 8) (F-35C takeoff is from @15:00~.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e56A3E0fYEY

<<<<<<<<Attention!!>>>>>>>>
Please look at @18:10~ Absolutely !!!! :crazypilot: (Don't miss!!!! This is precious!!!!! Ultra Rare!!!!!)
F-35C is performing the Minimum Radius Turn!!!!! :shock: (Probably, the first time?)

To me, it looks exactly just 20 seconds or 19.XX seconds range until the 360 deg round turn is complete. :shock: wow!!! (Amazingly Amazing)
Even when compared to other fighters, its Min Radius Turn or Sustained Turn, to me looks very very Fast, Short Time, Quickly...!!!! :applause: (C is...The Heavy Miracle Monster!!)

On the other hand, the Minimum Radius Turn time of Demo Team Mr.DOJO F-35A that I often see is about 22~24 seconds. (maybe)
That is...C takes less time than A... !!?? :!: :?: (confusion) Oh my Goodness!!!! :doh: (What’s happening !?)
Why is C so fast!?!? :roll: Does it involve C's Long Wings!? I don't know... (excited)

I be surprised by C! :doh:

The principle difference between the A and C, is rate vs radius. The C will have a smaller turn radius and better ITR. The A will have more available G and better STR (due to lower drag and better T/W ratio.)

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 12 Nov 2019, 10:39
by Corsair1963
A number of F-35 Test Pilots. Have stated they liked flying the C Model the best of all three versions.

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 12 Nov 2019, 13:10
by marsavian
The C will have a smaller turn radius and better ITR. The A will have more available G and better STR


Isn't it the other way round ? A has the greater ITR (9g>7.5g) but C has the greater STR due to more wing lift. Remember those revised sustained G numbers in the past where only the C could do 5g at medium altitude.