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Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 07 May 2019, 23:38
by optimist
On the other hand, for the F-35 pilot that gets to a guns 1on1. They will be buying beers for a month if they live. For making multiple mistakes to get into that position. Especially if the mission planning didn't put a gun pod on the B and C. :doh:

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 08 May 2019, 00:30
by quicksilver
Depends on the type of training that is going on. BFM is a foundational skill for fighter guys. Each of the services have extensive training syllabi that do not end when one gets to one’s first fleet squadron. BFM remains a necessary part of those syllabi because it is a foundational skill — a building block if you will. Once one has completed sorties of a given type within the syllabus, there are refly intervals at which the training code needs to be refreshed. Mission emphasis by type (AA vs AG) will determine how much time is spent on any foundational skill.

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 09 May 2019, 14:13
by mixelflick
optimist wrote:On the other hand, for the F-35 pilot that gets to a guns 1on1. They will be buying beers for a month if they live. For making multiple mistakes to get into that position. Especially if the mission planning didn't put a gun pod on the B and C. :doh:


Either that, or he's going to be giving people lessons on how to best use the gun. It may be that something else necessitates the merge (other than his mistake). Like a weapons bay door that fails to close.

In that event, whatever WVR training they're getting is really going to pay off. It would also add another dimension to the F-35's capabilities, and assuming BVR works as advertised, it's mystique will only grow.

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 09 May 2019, 14:28
by marsavian
The other important feature of BFM training is that even if you are only planning to enter BVR combat you still may need to take evasive actions against SAM/AAM heading your way. The ability to navigate and orientate quickly through 3D space is probably even more important and pressing there. I think LMT got the priority of F-35's maneuvering capabilities exactly right although the subtlety was lost on many at the beginning of its life. Concentrate mainly on Stealth/SA/Sensor Fusion yet build a slightly slower maneuvering version of the F-22 which should be more than adequate in the last resort if ACM is unavoidable.

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 09 May 2019, 14:45
by vilters
Procedure for F-35 B and C pilots for a Gun Shot.
- Press mike button
- Yell : Ra-Ta-Ta-Ta-Ta-Ta !

Enemy pisses pants and does a not so dry CFIT. :devil:

A Cowboy is no Cowboy without a Colt 45.

The F-35 B and C are like building a bomber without a bomb bay. :devil:
If it was a joke, wo could laugh, now we can cry. :bang:

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 09 May 2019, 14:48
by marsavian
The B/C gun pod is actually firing straighter and lasting longer at the moment ;)

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 09 May 2019, 17:20
by quicksilver
Perhaps I wasn’t clear enough about BFM training; you start there...a mile to a mile and a half apart (sometimes closer) from a variety of “canned” set-ups. Each set-up has a different learning objective, and specific criteria for termination of the set-up. There are also 1v0 sorties that are designed to maneuver to prescribed portions of the envelope — “aircraft handling” if-you-will.

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 09 May 2019, 21:44
by doge
F-35 DEMO pilots Andrew “Dojo” Olson by person himself account comment.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BxAvNJ-laDr/
andyo_dojo Toronto, Ontario
135 degrees of turn, 50 degrees true angle of attack and the power to climb right out of the maneuver. Zero thrust vectoring, beast flight controls, full stealth, full send. Happy Friday in the Fast Jet Business!

(Rush to add.)
A cockpit view video was just posted! :D https://www.instagram.com/p/BxQgshXF6jN/
andyo_dojo Seymour Johnson Air Force Base, North Carolina
THIS is a first... cockpit video from the F-35! We’re going to be capturing epic footage all year that we can’t wait to share with you. Enjoy the ride while we take you on tour with us all airshow season.





And...
F-35 is flying at Israel Independence Day Airshow 2019.
@5:00~


@2:30~ (From @3:45~ it's a way to flight I've never seen. 8) (“I” have never seen it on F-35.))

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 10 May 2019, 08:30
by spazsinbad
"...From @3:45~ it's a way to flight I've never seen..." PILOT WAVES BYE-BYE. Cockpit video will be great - thanks for link.

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 11 May 2019, 19:35
by popcorn

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 01 Jun 2019, 04:13
by Dragon029
Here we go folks; the USAF finally released the 'full' (it has some jump cuts) in-cockpit video of the F-35A Demo Team performance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF7FSDpFYSs


I only wish they'd release the full 360 video for viewing in VR, etc.

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 01 Jun 2019, 06:00
by spazsinbad
TAH. What a shame the demo team can't put a hyphen in the title. YouTube takes it away when video uploaded BUT THEN one may add the hyphen back in the title (have no idea why this happens for upload). Anyhoo it ARE an F-35 not F 35. OK?

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 01 Jun 2019, 06:23
by gc
Beautiful! Interesting that the pedal turn requires the application of full side stick instead just full rudders as the name imply. And the application of fill side stick results in zero roll.

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 01 Jun 2019, 15:46
by jetblast16
Here we go folks; the USAF finally released the 'full' (it has some jump cuts) in-cockpit video of the F-35A Demo Team performance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF7FSDpFYSs


Thanks for posting that Dragon. What a beast of a plane. Two things stood out for me, watching that video:

1.) The amount of excess power it had, especially to climb
2.) When performing the pedal turn, Dojo placed both his hands on the control column, and held them there ... I wonder why?

Re: F-35 and Airshows

Unread postPosted: 01 Jun 2019, 17:16
by quicksilver
My speculation is that anything less than X amount of side-force opposite the commanded yaw would result in more proverse roll, thereby detracting from the appearance of the intended maneuver.