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Unread post30 Apr 2019, 08:00

Somebody finally uploaded more than just the hovering demo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB9YmAculPQ
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Unread post30 Apr 2019, 10:53

Opening the F-35 Flight Envelope: The Perspective of a VMFAT-501 Pilot
30 Apr 2019 SLDinfo

"U.S. Marine Capt. Frank Zastoupil, F-35B Lighting II pilot with Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadron 501, speaks about the capabilities of the F-35B Lighting II and its participation in the 2019 Air Show aboard Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort. March 01, 2019.

MCAS Beaufort holds airshows to promote the Marine Corps and Navy recruiting efforts, to demonstrate the full force and capabilities of our military and to show appreciation to all members of the surrounding communities who support the men and women who serve this nation and are stationed at the Air Station and in the Tri-Command area.

(Marine Corps video by Sgt. René Lucerobonilla. March 1, 2019)"

Source: https://sldinfo.com/2019/04/opening-the ... 501-pilot/


USMC Capt. Frank Zastoupil F-35B Pilot on Airshows March 2019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCIW8AAVj8I

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Unread post30 Apr 2019, 14:44

Dragon029 wrote:Somebody finally uploaded more than just the hovering demo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB9YmAculPQ


Looked a bit more sluggish than the A, but that could just be the demo, pilot or some combination thereof. Would have liked to have seen a tighter power loop, pedal turns etc.. But the slow speed pass was phenomenal. Provided the engine puts out the same thrust, should the B not be the best performer - given it carries 5,000lbs less fuel?

I know they have a 7g limit vs 9 for the A...
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Unread post30 Apr 2019, 15:22

mixelflick wrote:Provided the engine puts out the same thrust, should the B not be the best performer - given it carries 5,000lbs less fuel?

I know they have a 7g limit vs 9 for the A...

First no planes do 9G pulls in demos. Second, the Killer Bee may carry 5,000lb less fuel, but it has a permanent 3,500lb of ballast. Third, every doc that lists the F135-PW-100 at 43,000lbt lists the F135-PW-600 at 41,000lbt.
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Unread post30 Apr 2019, 15:49

Again I must reiterate that G's do not implicitly create visual wow. You can pull 9g's at 600kt's and all it would look like is a great big arc -- a low rate of change makes for a very boring display. On the other hand, Flanker tumbles at low speeds are unlikely to break 6g's. In fact, demonstrations of advanced aerodynamics capabilities mean achieving high rates at low G's, that you're not relying on smash to pull you through maneuvers.
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Unread post30 Apr 2019, 18:28

sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:
mixelflick wrote:Provided the engine puts out the same thrust, should the B not be the best performer - given it carries 5,000lbs less fuel?

I know they have a 7g limit vs 9 for the A...

First no planes do 9G pulls in demos. Second, the Killer Bee may carry 5,000lb less fuel, but it has a permanent 3,500lb of ballast. Third, every doc that lists the F135-PW-100 at 43,000lbt lists the F135-PW-600 at 41,000lbt.


No 9g turns in demos? That's news to me. I've seen plenty of F-15/16 demos where the announcer says so. Are they fibbing, or wordsmithing?

Kind of disappointing the B only has 41,000lbs of thrust vs. 43. I realize that's still a lot, but I'd imagine getting the new ADVENT engines in the B will be a priority. Being carrier based, the B has a high(er) likelihood I'd think of encountering the enemy.
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Unread post30 Apr 2019, 19:56

Whatever the thrust the F-35B has it has had it for some time so now you are just becoming disappointed. WOW. AND the USMC F-35Bs are NOT 'carrier based'. Please learn correct names and use them. They are based aboard LHAs or ashore.

A thread about F-35B thrust: F135-600 power rating? viewtopic.php?f=56&t=54310
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Unread post30 Apr 2019, 20:06

And announcers are saying what they are told to say. The spectator can't tell the difference so the announcer is calling out the maximum potential. If you read the AF demo pilots guide the "minimum radius turn" is near always a 7 G entry that only reduces speed (and G).
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Unread post30 Apr 2019, 23:42

First 8 seconds. :shock:

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Unread post30 Apr 2019, 23:55

Dojo Drift, as performed by the Raptor.
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Unread post01 May 2019, 00:20

sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:Dojo Drift, as performed by the Raptor.


I was more surprised by the altitude which it was performed.
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Unread post01 May 2019, 00:25

Check out 2:28, 10:27, that thing is an animal.

It seems like "Loco" has a seemingly more aggressive display than years prior.
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Unread post01 May 2019, 01:25

sferrin wrote:First 8 seconds. :shock:

Mighty FINE indeed. I'll guess that ENTRANCE was to wake up the spectators. :mrgreen: THEYs WOKE now! :devil:
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Unread post01 May 2019, 01:27

"Loco" flies a phenomenal display. It looks as if the Raptor team has upped the ante :wink: New kid on the block--F-35A Demo Team lol
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Unread post01 May 2019, 19:25

New F-22 Demo is WAY more aggressive this year.

Me like :)

I wonder if it was in response to the F-35 upping its game? In either case, I'm sure glad they're both ours...
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