F-35 and Airshows

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by sprstdlyscottsmn » 10 Apr 2019, 23:23

No, the X-32 might have but the Vertical Thrust is of a completely different nature on the F-35. You are not simply moving the position of the nozzels.
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by quicksilver » 10 Apr 2019, 23:57

"So a real world example of VIFF, vectoring in forward flight?"

Yes.

"Wonder if the F-35B could ever develop similar tactics although it stops pretty well as it is with high AoA."

Never, ever. It doesnt need thrust vectoring apart from what it does for approach/TO/landing.

I didnt mean to open up a TVC discussion in an F-35 air show thread. Point I really wanted to make was in reference to Gums' comment about ACMI/TACTS debrief. Said debrief for this one was "memorable."


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by quicksilver » 11 Apr 2019, 00:11

marsavian wrote:
went to braking stop with the nozzles.


So a real world example of VIFF, vectoring in forward flight ?

https://tacairnet.com/2017/02/19/harrie ... ng-midair/

Wonder if the F-35B could ever develop similar tactics although it stops pretty well as it is with high AoA.


That article is just chocked full of urban myth wrt viff. Aerodynamically, the Harrier is a mediocre performer except in a very small and specific set of circumstances. The only pilots I know who became proficient with viff did so after attaining some level of skill/proficiency in bfm. If one sucked at bfm, viff only made it worse.

The trick was getting enough bfm exposure to develop said proficiency, and that exposure rarely existed even back in the days when we were flying 30hr/mo every month in stateside training. Why? Because our primary mission was A-G not A-A. I and handful of others were unique in the amount of bfm we were allowed to do and some follow-on assignments furthered that exposure.


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by steve2267 » 11 Apr 2019, 02:47

QS, to what extend did you get to meet / interact with any of the Brit aviators who saw real A-A down in the Falklands?
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by quicksilver » 11 Apr 2019, 03:12

steve2267 wrote:QS, to what extend did you get to meet / interact with any of the Brit aviators who saw real A-A down in the Falklands?


Many times. There has been a robust pilot exchange in place for decades. Was briefed and Q&A’d extensively by/with Argentines as well.

In fact, one UK pilot who was held captive after being downed by anti-aircraft defenses around Port Stanley had, at one time, been on exchange w the USMC.


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by doge » 20 Apr 2019, 17:35

11 “DOJO DRIFT”
It bears the name of the pilot to maneuver. 8)
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by commisar » 23 Apr 2019, 17:13

Here are some personal videos I made of the F-35s demonstration at the 2018 Fort Worth Alliance airport Airshow. Filmed for a Galaxy S9, so quality isn't exactly professional grade. The section with the P-51 flying with the F-35 was a real treat. Enjoy

https://youtu.be/bfoWqYpsxxw

https://youtu.be/sVWTdOdUJbI

https://youtu.be/k-WktWC9Lqc


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by charlielima223 » 24 Apr 2019, 03:22

It would be really cool to have the demo go at the same time an F-22 does and have them do the same maneuver one after the other.


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by Corsair1963 » 24 Apr 2019, 03:34

What we be cool would be for the USAF Thunderbirds and/or USN Blue Angels to fly the F-35.... :mrgreen:


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by spazsinbad » 24 Apr 2019, 03:45

Corsair1963 wrote:What we be cool would be for the USAF Thunderbirds and/or USN Blue Angels to fly the F-35.... :mrgreen:

Blue Angels begin the shift to Super Hornets [by 2021]: 20 Apr 2019 Melissa Nelson Gabriel, Pensacola News Journal
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-nav ... r-hornets/


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by doge » 24 Apr 2019, 04:14

This year, "C" will come to the Airshow...!? :shock: :D 8)
https://www.facebook.com/duluthairshow/ ... 991671077/
Duluth Airshow
BIG ANNOUNCEMENT: The Duluth Airshow, presented by St. Luke's is proud to announce the addition of two (2) US Navy F-35C's from NAS Lamoore (VFA-125) that will be on static display this year. This is in addition to the two (2) USAF F-35A's that will perform as the F-35 Demonstration Team.

Get your discounted tickets now to see the F-35A and F-35C during Minnesota's Largest Airshow on July 20-21 at the Duluth International Airport by visiting http://www.duluthairshow.com


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by geforcerfx » 24 Apr 2019, 20:00

yeah Static display, i bet when the blues move to the super duper the demo team for the super will get transitioned to the F-35C.


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by jetblast16 » 28 Apr 2019, 22:31

Have F110, Block 70, will travel


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by spazsinbad » 29 Apr 2019, 01:52

USMC & USAF F-35 Demonstration Graphics (thanks to both uploaders).
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