F-35 and Airshows

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Unread post13 Mar 2019, 14:52

My uncle and my father never referred to their aircraft as ‘she’. Certainly ships, other stuff perhaps...not fighters. Nose art was a remembrance of something longed for, or home, or a talisman, or a good luck charm or a crew or pilot identity — not necessarily the aircraft. In my experience, ‘she’ is an awkward reference, and never used. The females I flew with never referred to the aircraft that way, nor did/do my wife or two daughters. :wink:

Thinking about it some more, I would also offer that the general reverence or affection represented by 'she' harkens back to a time when one was assigned at tail number that was your aircraft. It was the one you (almost) always flew. Similarly. it was the tail number that ones crew chief was responsible for. Those days were over many decades ago. Hence, that kind of man-to-machine reference doesnt develop anymore. You fly the tail number assigned to you on the flight schedule for the day. Different 'relationship' with the jet...
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Unread post13 Mar 2019, 15:35

optimist wrote:
mixelflick wrote:Stems from WWII, where many an allied pilot would paint/name their aircraft after their wives/GF's. Personally, I would have gone bigger on the boobs, but that's just me... :)

I don't know how they got a way with a nude pic, it wouldn't happen today
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1093& ... xT4K-2nQTA


That ain't nothin'

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Unread post14 Mar 2019, 12:40

sferrin wrote:
optimist wrote:
mixelflick wrote:Stems from WWII, where many an allied pilot would paint/name their aircraft after their wives/GF's. Personally, I would have gone bigger on the boobs, but that's just me... :)

I don't know how they got a way with a nude pic, it wouldn't happen today
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1093& ... xT4K-2nQTA


That ain't nothin'

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Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about! :)
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Unread post17 Mar 2019, 11:00

Apologise if previously posted.
https://youtu.be/0pBvmCO1aUo
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Unread post17 Mar 2019, 12:37

popcorn wrote:Apologise if previously posted.
https://youtu.be/0pBvmCO1aUo


Wow!

1 word: POWER

Thank you for posting this :)
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Unread post17 Mar 2019, 14:09

Back on page 74 this thread is the same video. The way to check is SEARCH using the YOUtoob string: 0pBvmCO1aUo
:devil: FROM the YOUtoob :twisted: URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pBvmCO1aUo :roll:

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Unread post17 Mar 2019, 17:03

This is the same display but generally from a longer distance plus formation with P-51s.

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Unread post21 Mar 2019, 03:17

Crazy angle of level flight. :shock: :shock:
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Unread post21 Mar 2019, 08:55

I usually use these two videos to argue against Russian and China trolls/F35 haters

1. This video shows how pedal turn helps F-35 in horizontal fight (even though it is a F/A18):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jd0IveKod0

2. This video (at around 6:00) shows how F-35 accelerates out from pedal turn rapidly
https://youtu.be/8WOOmbMFA5A
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Unread post21 Mar 2019, 13:20

doge wrote:Crazy angle of level flight. :shock: :shock:


That is indeed crazy, although I've seen crazier angles from Flankers. Now I am NOT saying F-35 can't do what they do, just that the Russians seem to have a lot more (dis?)regard for airshow safety in their demos. Unfortunately, it really shows too when there's an accident..
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Unread post21 Mar 2019, 14:42

Well I guess this one is the most crazy sustained AOA in level flight in history. Flankers need to double think before entangle with a F-35
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Unread post21 Mar 2019, 15:12

gta4 wrote:Well I guess this one is the most crazy sustained AOA in level flight in history. Flankers need to double think before entangle with a F-35
F35-80degaoa.jpg


Wow! Had not seen that one before. Here's what I'm talking about, SU-30MKM damn near standing vertical on its tail. Footage starts at 6:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNx6DV8EcF8

After reviewing tapes of both, I have to take back my statement of "crazier". They appear to be equally crazy, and in the case of your still shot, the F-35 might just have the edge. I'd LOVE to know how much internal fuel each is carrying, and other specs that allow both aircraft to fly with such precise abandon. For the Flanker, it appears to be related to the airframe. THe F-35 too benefits from that (horizontal tails being so far aft of the fuselage), but I suspect it's superior flight control laws are the real reason.

One thing's for sure: The F-35 has as much power as any other fighter out there, except perhaps the F-22...
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Unread post21 Mar 2019, 15:39

Ahem:

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Unread post21 Mar 2019, 19:09

sferrin wrote:Ahem:

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Now that's impressive. I've never seen any other aircraft flying both inverted, and at a high AoA.
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Unread post21 Mar 2019, 19:17

mixelflick wrote:

That is indeed crazy, although I've seen crazier angles from Flankers. Now I am NOT saying F-35 can't do what they do, just that the Russians seem to have a lot more (dis?)regard for airshow safety in their demos. Unfortunately, it really shows too when there's an accident..


They tend to fly with a much lower fuel load, and put more emphasis on ballistic manuevers, whereas the F-22 and F-35 demonstrate precise controlled flight, with more representative fuel weights.
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