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Unread post25 Mar 2018, 04:29

element1loop wrote:
mixelflick wrote:
nutshell wrote:
Who cares about the airshows :D


I do. Here's my question: When do they start flying US airshows and take the gloves off this thing? 2019, 2020? I mean flying something like a Paris display...



As I recall 3i envelope restrictions remain within new 'full' 3F version, being installed now, until 3F completes operational testing, which appears will drag on until at least Jan 2020 at the earliest.

i.e. mid to possibly late 2020.


The Block 3F that was being released from August last year had Block 3i envelope restrictions, but as of about a month Block 3F is fully released for the F-35A variant, with a fully opened flight envelope. The F-35B and F-35C follow in May and June respectively.
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Unread post25 Mar 2018, 04:38

vilters wrote:I want to count the airshows where a 9G capable airframe actually pulled a "9G" 360 circle.
But then again; It proves exactly the same as a cobra. Nothing at all.

We are on the same page with this, I doubt any airshow routine actually has a 9g element in it. If they happen to over G, it's a big deal. You aren't going to tell if it's 8 or 9g from the ground. A bit of vortex vapour and everyone is happy
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Unread post03 Apr 2018, 10:00

F-35s to Make First Latin America Appearance This Week
03 Apr 2018 Brian Everstine, Steve Hirsch, and Amy McCullough

"The F-35 fighter will be on display for the first time in Latin America this week at the International Air and Space Fair, FIDAE 2018, April 3-8 in Santiago, Chile, according to the US Embassy there. In addition, the Air Force F-22 Raptor Demonstration Team will demonstrate maneuvers...."

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Unread post03 Apr 2018, 15:10

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Unread post23 Apr 2018, 17:14

Lockheed, US Air Force mount F-35 sales pitch at Berlin Air Show
23 Apr 2018 Sebastian Sprenger

"COLOGNE, Germany ― The first-ever exhibit of an F-35 fighter jet at this week’s Berlin Air Show could inject a new sense of competition for a key German military program that has already appeared to tip toward the European-made competition. The U.S. Air Force plans to present two specimens of its fifth-generation aircraft as a static display at the show, which starts Wednesday. The two planes arrived from Luke Air Force Base, Arizona, on Sunday evening after what officials termed the aircraft’s longest nonstop flight, at 11-plus hours.

Manufacturer Lockheed Martin said the U.S. air service, as the weapons’ owner, has the lead on the exhibit planning in Berlin. No F-35 flight demonstrations were planned as of Monday...."

[Then lots of FOLDEROL that is not related to an airshow but to 'F-35 for Germany' which should go in another thread.
GO HERE FOR IT: viewtopic.php?f=58&t=53254&p=393256&hilit=sprenger#p393256 ]

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Unread post26 Apr 2018, 21:50

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Unread post27 Apr 2018, 12:55

Let her fly in Germany. Let her fly...

It's a shame national pride is standing in the way of a superior weapons system. 5th gen aircraft aren't easy to design, test and deploy. Seriously doubt the French in particular are going to have a stealthy Rafale replacement in time for the 2025-30 time frame. Ditto for the other nations. Sometimes, you need to look in the mirror and admit, "we don't do this well"...

Hint: Russia LOL
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Unread post27 Apr 2018, 20:36

From ILA 2018
http://www.monch.com/mpg/news/air/3273- ... 0002298683
ILA 2018: A LUFTWAFFE F-35?
Published: 26 April 2018
In contemporary integrated air defence environments, it is almost impossible for fourth generation aircraft to prosecute their missions and survive,” Director of F-35 International Business Development, Steve Over, told ILA Show Dailies.

In a current generation aircraft, he explained, over 90% of the radar cross-section is a result of the external weapons load. In the case of the LIGHTNING II, the internal weapons bay removes that issue almost entirely, reducing the radar return to a hostile air defence system and contributing to the aircraft’s very low observable (VLO) characteristics. Similarly, an F-35 with its internal fuel load of 18,000lbs will have a broadly similar range to an F-16 ‘maxed-out’ with every auxiliary fuel tank it can carry – enhancing mission execution and survivability.Much more telling, however, is the LIGHTNING’s, “transformational capability,” in Mr. Over’s words.

Is there a possibility that this also includes CFT ?
EFT×3 alone is amazing though, But,
If also included CFT, more amazing! :D
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Unread post27 Apr 2018, 21:32

The max range of an F-16 with 2x600 gal EFTs and installed CFTs while hauling 2x2K JDAMS with AAMs is 630nmi. No centerline tank due to jammer pod. Drops EFTs when empty.

Per the latest SAR, the A2G range with 2x2k JDAMS with AAMs is 669nmi for the F-35A.

So yes, the F-35A out-ranges a maxed out (EFT and CFT) F-16.

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Unread post27 Apr 2018, 22:11

Oh man... but please, let's talk about how agile an airshow viper is! I love the Viper, I really do. It can do anything well, but it cannot do everything well at the same time.
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Unread post28 Apr 2018, 14:26

SpudmanWP wrote:The max range of an F-16 with 2x600 gal EFTs and installed CFTs while hauling 2x2K JDAMS with AAMs is 630nmi. No centerline tank due to jammer pod. Drops EFTs when empty.

Per the latest SAR, the A2G range with 2x2k JDAMS with AAMs is 669nmi for the F-35A.

So yes, the F-35A out-ranges a maxed out (EFT and CFT) F-16.

Thank you very much!
Range longer than F-16's EFT+CFT...It's amazing...! :shock:

(And add, I found a ILA2018 PDF that the same thing is written. (it's page20))
http://www.monch.com/mpg/images/exhibit ... 2-2018.pdf
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Unread post28 Apr 2018, 14:55

Not entirely correct because most of the CFT advanced F-16s (B50+/52+/60) have internal ECM fits and don't use pods. Weight and practicality of nearly 20,000 lbs fuel might be an issue but not seeing why it couldn't be done.
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Unread post28 Apr 2018, 16:49

Good one li'l doggy - 2 page PDF extract 'LUFTWAFFE F-35?' attached.
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Unread post28 Apr 2018, 17:59

That cliff hanger at the end killed me.
programme total of over 4,000 aircraft likely when all potential has been
realised, and currently in production for 10 countries, there is no good
reason why Germany should not seriously consider becoming.


BECOMING WHAT?!?!.

Anyways, some interesting excerpts:

The Distributed Aperture System,......, has been redesigned and replaced, making the system
“twice as effective, five times more reliable and reducing maintenance
costs by 55%,” Mr. Over stated.


I wasn't aware of the upgrade wrt effectiveness. Would this mean software changes, or perhaps larger aperture cameras?

“The F-35’s Active Electronically
Scanned Array (AESA) radar also acts as the aircraft’s principal jamming
transmitter – and a remarkably powerful one at that,”


I also wasn't aware that the radar was its principal jammer. Is the f-35 alone in this regard?
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