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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 10:21

spazsinbad wrote:
Graphic:"Billie Flynn aims to silence the skeptics with complex F-35A demo flights at the Paris Air Show."
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I can't wait! excited!
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 10:41

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from here https://twitter.com/rupaharia/status/87 ... 84/photo/1

the sign says ...pulls up to [9g]...
does that mean 3F?
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 11:00

In my estimation it is always useful to read preceding relevant posts so that QUERIES may be answered - so on previous page with first graphic there is this:
"...The F-35 in its current 3i configuration is limited to 7g; when the fighter gets its full war-fighting capability with the final 3F software, it will be able to pull 9gs...."
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 12:04

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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 12:31

... and the irony is the war fighters say that's probably the least impressive facet of the jet. But a great show for the crowds. :applause:
"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
CSAF Gen. Mark Welsh
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 12:51

Dragon029 wrote:And here's the performance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeqryYh_yw0

Performance from 3:25 is wonderful! The angle bends is very steep! Fantastic!
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 13:10

doge wrote:Performance from 3:25 is wonderful! The angle bends is very steep! Fantastic!


It sure is. Very reminiscent of F-22 performance which is very impressive to me. I'm also impressed with the power it has. Acceleration and vertical performance seem very good.
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 13:23

my jaw dropped at 3:27, this thing drifts around corners like a spaceship, not an aircraft.
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 13:43

Awesome performance overall! Nice and to the point, the Graph is also very helpful.

Can't help but mention though, that the pedal turn seemed underwhelming compared to practice videos before. Was he supposed to do half a rotation, instead of 360 in the end? (at ~3:35)

my jaw dropped at 3:27, this thing drifts around corners like a spaceship, not an aircraft.

Agreed, the turn right before that was insanely impressive.
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 13:48

"Nothing a F-105 couldn't do 50 years ago .. "
- ABJSF Crowd
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"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
CSAF Gen. Mark Welsh
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 13:49

popcorn wrote:"Nothing a F-105 couldn't do 50 years ago .. "
- ABJSF Crowd
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Daily reminder that the Avro Arrow could fly faster than this.
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 14:46

Live. Now F-35 has appeared. (Will make it in time?)
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 15:59

This is particularly interesting.

http://m.aviationweek.com/paris-air-sho ... nformation

"The F-35’s maneuverability is all the more impressive because, unlike the F-16s that perform at air shows, the Joint Strike Fighter flying the demonstration this week is fully combat-ready. Flynn’s F-35A will move easily through complex aerial maneuvers loaded with everything it needs to go to war."

“All of those airplanes that do air shows—the Hornet, Viper—they are all slicked off without all the external stores,” Flynn said. “They are a party trick at an air show, versus a combat-configured F-22 or F-35.”

So....that impressive display, was representative of a combat equipped F-35 (with envelope restrictions.) Imagine the display a 3F F-35 without any payload, and 5000lbs of fuel, could fly. No wonder they describe it as eye watering.
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 21:13

Impressive indeed!

I would love to see Solomon eating his own worlds about the "lame" F-35 display :doh:
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 23:16

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeqryYh_yw0
Compare 3:35 to Hanche's report.
Yet another quality of the F-35 becomes evident in this flight regime; using the rudder pedals I can command the nose of the airplane from side to side. The F-35 reacts quicker to my pedal inputs than the F-16 would at its maximum AOA (the F-16 would actually be out of control at this AOA). This gives me an alternate way of pointing the airplane where I need it to, in order to threaten an opponent. This «pedal turn» yields an impressive turn rate, even at low airspeeds. In a defensive situation, the «pedal turn» provides me the ability to rapidly neutralize a situation, or perhaps even reverse the roles entirely.
https://theaviationist.com/2016/03/01/heres-what-ive-learned-so-far-dogfighting-in-the-f-35-a-jsf-pilot-first-hand-account/
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