Why is the F-35 replacing the A-10?

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Unread post05 Sep 2013, 02:23

I half-expect a contract for new airframes at some point.

Frankly, aside for 'show-of-force' CAS missions that the B-1 has been used for, I suspect that fixed-wing CAS will be obsolete before the F-35 even has a chance to replace the A-10.
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Unread post05 Sep 2013, 02:31

Aren't there plans to turn the A-10's into drones?
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Unread post05 Sep 2013, 05:32

There are NO plans to retire the A-10 currently...at least for the next 20 or so years. In fact, Boeing just got another contract for more replacement wing sets.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/Boeing-to-B ... -Air-Force
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Unread post05 Sep 2013, 12:56

So they must still make wings?
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Unread post05 Sep 2013, 14:17

uclass wrote:So they must still make wings?


See link in above post...Boeing makes A-10 wingsets.
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Unread post05 Sep 2013, 16:53

All the Services have basically said there will be no sacred cows though one gets a hint here and there which programs seem to enjoy top-level support. Those like the A-10 that are not obvious fits into the whole JOAC-A2/AD-ASB paradigm are vulnerable IMO. Cost cuts to generate savings will have to come from somewhere, that's for sure. The beancounters are probably crunching numbers right now.
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Unread post05 Sep 2013, 19:25

The A-10 will be in service till ~2040. This topic is based upon numerous fallacies.
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Unread post06 Sep 2013, 00:28

wrightwing wrote:The A-10 will be in service till ~2040. This topic is based upon numerous fallacies.


I wouldn't mind seeing them in ROKAF colors.
I'd wager you a case of beer they'll be retired much earlier. If you afe proven right, I'll be long gone by then so a safe bet for me :lol:
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Unread post06 Sep 2013, 00:33

checksixx wrote:
uclass wrote:So they must still make wings?


See link in above post...Boeing makes A-10 wingsets.

Does Boeing make every aircraft that the F-35 is replacing/competing with?
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Unread post06 Sep 2013, 00:37

count_to_10 wrote:
checksixx wrote:
uclass wrote:So they must still make wings?


See link in above post...Boeing makes A-10 wingsets.

Does Boeing make every aircraft that the F-35 is replacing/competing with?


Actually, Boeing got really upset when they heard LM was proposing a stretched F-35 as a BUFF replacement. :lol:
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Unread post06 Sep 2013, 04:59

why get upset? NOTHING replaces the BUFF.
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Unread post06 Sep 2013, 07:21

popcorn wrote:
wrightwing wrote:The A-10 will be in service till ~2040. This topic is based upon numerous fallacies.


I wouldn't mind seeing them in ROKAF colors.
I'd wager you a case of beer they'll be retired much earlier. If you afe proven right, I'll be long gone by then so a safe bet for me :lol:


What's much earlier? 2035? 2020? The USAF already has a plan for retiring 102 A-10s, and has invested a lot of money, in upgrading the remaining ones, for decades more service.
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Unread post06 Sep 2013, 07:34

count_to_10 wrote:
checksixx wrote:
uclass wrote:So they must still make wings?


See link in above post...Boeing makes A-10 wingsets.

Does Boeing make every aircraft that the F-35 is replacing/competing with?


Boeing never made A-10's.
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Unread post06 Sep 2013, 08:48

wrightwing wrote:
popcorn wrote:
wrightwing wrote:The A-10 will be in service till ~2040. This topic is based upon numerous fallacies.


I wouldn't mind seeing them in ROKAF colors.
I'd wager you a case of beer they'll be retired much earlier. If you afe proven right, I'll be long gone by then so a safe bet for me :lol:


What's much earlier? 2035? 2020? The USAF already has a plan for retiring 102 A-10s, and has invested a lot of money, in upgrading the remaining ones, for decades more service.


When enough F-35s are in service, then justification for A-10 diminishes accordingly. Yes, they invested in upgrades.. but the real issue is relevance to the overall strategic thrust which is not major land wars opposing masses of armor Rather it is the JOAC/A2AD/ASB paradigm.,The money invested in upgrades has to be weighed against the cost to continue operating and supporting the aircraft for the next 10, 20, 30 years - a significant potential savings that will not go unnoticed.

It will become increasingly difficult IMO to justify their continued operation if they are not aligned with the strategic direction. Gen.,Schwartz alluded to the major cost saving that can be achieved but only if you retire an entire fleet of aircraft including it's logistical infrastructure. When sequestration really begins to bite over this decade, I expect the A-10 to come under increasing pressure and be a prime candidate for termination.
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Unread post06 Sep 2013, 09:02

wrightwing wrote:
popcorn wrote:
wrightwing wrote:The A-10 will be in service till ~2040. This topic is based upon numerous fallacies.


I wouldn't mind seeing them in ROKAF colors.
I'd wager you a case of beer they'll be retired much earlier. If you afe proven right, I'll be long gone by then so a safe bet for me :lol:


What's much earlier? 2035? 2020? The USAF already has a plan for retiring 102 A-10s, and has invested a lot of money, in upgrading the remaining ones, for decades more service.


When enough F-35s are in service, then justification for A-10 diminishes accordingly. Yes, they invested in upgrades.. but the real issue is relevance to the overall strategic thrust which is not major land wars opposing masses of armor Rather it is the JOAC/A2AD/ASB paradigm.,The money invested in upgrades has to be weighed against the cost to continue operating and supporting the aircraft for the next 10, 20, 30 years - a significant potential savings that will not go unnoticed.

It will become increasingly difficult IMO to justify their continued operation if they are not aligned with the strategic direction. Gen.,Schwartz alluded to the major cost saving that can be achieved but only if you retire an entire fleet of aircraft including it's logistical infrastructure. When sequestration really begins to bite over this decade, I expect the A-10 to come under increasing pressure and be a prime candidate for termination.
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