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F-35B at Miramar 30 July

Unread postPosted: 01 Aug 2013, 02:44
by quicksilver

RE: F-35B at Miramar 30 July

Unread postPosted: 01 Aug 2013, 07:08
by spazsinbad
Interesting to see the dismount/mount procedure in this video.

RE: F-35B at Miramar 30 July

Unread postPosted: 01 Aug 2013, 23:25
by count_to_10
Do they usually make banking turns that close to the runway?
The AOA at touchdown was pretty high, too.

RE: F-35B at Miramar 30 July

Unread postPosted: 01 Aug 2013, 23:30
by spazsinbad
That would be a quick tight circuit - showing the pilot skill and aircraft to best advantage to then do 'aero-braking' rather than flare touchdown on three wheels to wear out the wheel brakes (or make them hot unnecessarily) on a long runway I presume. I'll guess the FBC will not allow too high an angle of attack before / during touchdown so as to prevent a tail strike (even if that is possible) while the high angle of attack allows the nose to be kept UP during touchdown and rollout (without braking otherwise). F-35As will do this as a matter of course whilst the Bs and Cs will do it when long runways allow (same as As but they usually will operate from long suitable runways).

Don't forget to go to full screen for the video of said F-35B first landing MCAS Miramar.

RE: F-35B at Miramar 30 July

Unread postPosted: 01 Aug 2013, 23:58
by spazsinbad
Here is an informative aerobrake post by 'johnwill':

"There is a "maximum design landing weight" for AF airplanes, but it is a misleading criterion. AF fighters commonly are designed for 10 ft/sec landing at "maximum design landing weight", which is normally substantially less than max takeoff weight, whatever the AF decides is appropriate. For example, early F-16s had a max takeoff weight of 33,000 lb (quickly raised to 35,400 lb) and a max design landing weight of 27,500 lb. The misleading part of "maximum design landing weight" is that there is also a requirement for 6 ft/sec landing for all takeoff weights, including MDTOW. Those 10 and 6 ft/sec landing requirements were applied to the F-16, but I don't know the F-35A requirements.

Based on watching hundreds of test flight landings, almost all are around 1 or 2 ft/sec, so heavy landings are, as you say, no worries, well almost.

The biggest problem with heavy landings is not gear strength, but brake energy limits. So with a heavy landing, aero braking is often employed to reduce brake energy requirements."

http://www.f-16.net/index.php?name=PNph ... ing#231685

Unread postPosted: 02 Aug 2013, 00:23
by outlaw162
The real question is why would anyone go into Miramar on a Tuesday instead of a Wednesday?

I would think an F-35 patch would be worth more than gold at the club.

:D