F-35B (Non-US) Pocket Carriers

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Unread post30 Jun 2014, 19:28

lookieloo wrote:With so little land area available for basing, it only makes since to move some of their airpower out on the water is some way shape or form.


Actually they are way ahead of that having for years now based aircraft in places such as Australia, France and the USA.
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Unread post30 Jun 2014, 20:39

gtx wrote:
lookieloo wrote:With so little land area available for basing, it only makes since to move some of their airpower out on the water is some way shape or form.
Actually they are way ahead of that having for years now based aircraft in places such as Australia, France and the USA.
Everyone here knows that already, but there's no substitute for having one's own piece of sovereign and mobile real-estate.
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Unread post30 Jun 2014, 21:22

Not disagreeing. Just pointing out that they are already addressing the land shortage issue.
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Unread post30 Jun 2014, 22:50

Somebody in the MOD in the UK should try to get on the phone with somebody important in Singapore.

Sell Singapore the HMS Illustrious class carrier so they can meet their requirement for JMMS.

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Unread post01 Jul 2014, 05:30

KamenRiderBlade wrote:Somebody in the MOD in the UK should try to get on the phone with somebody important in Singapore.

Sell Singapore the HMS Illustrious class carrier so they can meet their requirement for JMMS.

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Illustrious sale to Singapore is not going to happen as too crew intensive. More likely newbuild in Singapore by local shipbuilder (modified Endurance 160 design). Looks like only 1 ship if title is correct.

http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/resour ... _news.html

New ship

Learning from its previous HADR missions, the SAF realised the value of having larger naval vessels which could act as springboards for extended helicopter operations, said Dr Ng.

"We have to address our challenges, not only in the way that we train but in the way that we forward position...(to) prepare for a different environment," Dr Ng explained. When something hits, you need to have the scale (to respond adequately).

"While the Landing Ships Tank have served us (well), we are seriously considering a larger Joint Multi-Mission Ship (JMMS) that would have greater capacity and greater range to respond."

He explained: "When we responded to Typhoon Haiyan...the typhoon was so devastating that communications were knocked out."

"There was no centralised ability for command and control of the airspace. In that context, a ship like the JMMS would have been very useful."

He added that the SAF was in the final evaluation stages to decide on the JMMS's configuration to meet operational requirements.

But amid all the changes afoot in the SAF, its mission remains the same. "We recognise that our primary mission and our responsibility is to keep Singapore secure."
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Unread post01 Jul 2014, 05:43

KamenRiderBlade wrote:Somebody in the MOD in the UK should try to get on the phone with somebody important in Singapore.

Sell Singapore the HMS Illustrious class carrier so they can meet their requirement for JMMS.

=D



Nice idea but Singapore can afford a design tailor fit for them....(IMHO)
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Unread post01 Jul 2014, 08:28

Corsair1963 wrote:
KamenRiderBlade wrote:Somebody in the MOD in the UK should try to get on the phone with somebody important in Singapore.

Sell Singapore the HMS Illustrious class carrier so they can meet their requirement for JMMS.

=D



Nice idea but Singapore can afford a design tailor fit for them....(IMHO)

Additionally, they also have the capability to design and build such ships locally. Witness the Endurance class LPD's.

ST Marine demoed a model of a light carrier based upon the Endurance class LPD's a few months back. With the recent messages being sent from Singapore's defence minister regarding the usefulness of such ships, they could be engaging in further studies to optimize the design for what they envision.
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Unread post01 Jul 2014, 09:00

Per the press release, they are more likely on the tail end of the "further studies" stage and probably finalising the actual design. The Endurance 160 design was publicly revealed in year 2010 so its at least 3-4 years in the works already.
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Unread post01 Jul 2014, 10:04

Such a ship would be very useful in a HADR role. No whiff of possible TACAIR capability from what I read though.
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Unread post02 Jul 2014, 06:06

ON previous page there was a question about overhanging aircraft parts on lifts.
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Unread post03 Jul 2014, 22:53

Superb aerial images of HMS Illustrious next to HMS Queen Elizabeth at Rosyth:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Queen.html
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Unread post04 Jul 2014, 19:35

simon257 wrote:Superb aerial images of HMS Illustrious next to HMS Queen Elizabeth at Rosyth:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Queen.html


Nice - thanks for posting. :D
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Unread post05 Jul 2014, 13:12

Intriguing detail on that Daily Mail illustration, they show a jet blast deflector. I've been following the CVF development for years but I've never heard of one being added... and it doesn't show up on the vertical shots of the carrier taken yesterday. Anyone know a bit more about this?
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Unread post05 Jul 2014, 22:00

On this forum there would be a few references to the deleted JBD. I'll repost that info here:
Preparing for take-off: UK ramps up F-35 carrier integration effort
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“...In the final analysis, the decision has been taken to delete the JBD from the STOVL CVF design. Cdr Lison explains: "We determined from the CFD modelling that the legacy JBD did not offer adequate protection. Alternative designs were considered which offered some benefit, but two considerations persuaded us to delete the requirement.

"First, the nozzle scheduling of the F-35B on take-off has yet to be fully established, and there was a risk that the jet blast would simply 'bounce' over the JBD. Second, the JBD was in a single fixed position on the flight deck, so there was no flexibility with regard to the length of the take-off run." [The most important reason I would suggest.]...”

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Unread post07 Jul 2014, 08:45

After watching the simulation of HMS Queen Elizabeth here..

http://youtu.be/GwAERRMw6QU

I was wondering if the F35b will use the lift fan/nozzle to assist with launch from the Ski Jump or will she go full burner and hit it like a normal take off?? Also didn't notice any JBD in use, but it's only a simulation.
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