F-35B UK SRVL info - Updated when new/old info available

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Unread post29 Nov 2017, 10:24

Not sure if this graphic posted here also or just on another forum but anyway it comes from:
The Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers: Airwake Modelling and Validation for ASTOVL Flight Simulation
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mi ... lation.pdf (1.7Mb)

Then: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ma ... arrier.pdf (about 1Mb or so) [LINK is LONG]

LINK to Page to get the PDF: Using airwake simulation to inform flight trials for the Queen Elizabeth Class Carrier
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... ss_Carrier
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Unread post30 Nov 2017, 01:18

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Unread post30 Nov 2017, 06:28

This PDF mentioned above is on a page however the URL is very long & problematic for the PDF so the page URL will do:

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... Simulation (PDF 1.7Mb) [CLICK GRAPHIC & ZOOM IN! Why don'cha]
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Unread post30 Nov 2017, 09:30

Spaz,

I haven't located any references for the SRVL Program for the F-35B and the DFP ("credited the F-35C's Delta Flight Path (DFP) technology with significantly reducing pilot workload during the approach to the carrier, increasing safety margins during carrier approaches and reducing touchdown dispersion.") and JPALS ("JPALS is a differential GPS-based precision landing system that guides aircraft to carriers and amphibious assault ships in all weather conditions and in surface conditions to sea state 5") and the 60 kt. (+2klb. load carrying) SRVL approach speed. JPALS seems to have been a "big" contributor to the X-47B program CVN approach and landing successes.

Are you aware if there any documents referencing the association of these proven software "algorithms" and SRVL?; any help is appreciated!
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Unread post30 Nov 2017, 09:43

JPALS has not been installed on CVF QE but will later be used when OKed by the USN on CVNs I expect. For the moment QE will have only the SPN-41(info on Mod In A Muddle thread I think). The F-35B will be in STOVL Mode 4 for an SRVL which is not the same as a 'Delta Flight Path' for the F-35C. However IF you read this thread (& probably others) about SRVL approaches then a group of technologies including the SRVV (Ship Referenced Velocity Vector) in the vHud and Bedford Array on the flight deck will enable precise SRVLs up to sea state 6 are envisaged (via computer sims at moment).

viewtopic.php?f=58&t=15969&p=375073&hilit=sponson#p375073
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viewtopic.php?f=58&t=15969&p=279438&hilit=sponson#p279438

Give me your tired - your poor - those yearning for JPALS: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=20304&p=269569&hilit=JPALS#p269569
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SRVL description (videos this thread also): viewtopic.php?f=22&t=20304&p=240066&hilit=JPALS#p240066

RN FAA CMDR Pilot talking in video above is Nathan Gray, who will become the 1st F-35B test pilot onboard QE next year.
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Unread post01 Dec 2017, 02:04

spazsinbad wrote:up to sea state 6


I'm going to add that to my "things I don't want to ever do" list...
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Unread post01 Dec 2017, 02:11

Sea State Six: Waves start to roll.
HIGH SEA: Sea begins to roll, dense streaks of foam and much spray. Wind strong gale, 40-48 knots. Beaufort 9. Loose gear and light canvas may part.” http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a118181.pdf
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Unread post01 Dec 2017, 03:32

Slightly OFF TOPIC (I ain't no helioplickerpilote) HOW TO via CFD aboard QE or somesuch:

PILOTED FLIGHT SIMULATION FOR HELICOPTER OPERATION TO THE QUEEN ELIZABETH CLASS AIRCRAFT CARRIERS

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... T_CARRIERS

PDF: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mi ... RRIERS.pdf (1Mb)

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mi ... elines.jpg
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Unread post01 Dec 2017, 03:48

WOT is RONG with this 3D model (at $295 no less): https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d ... aft/547776
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Unread post01 Dec 2017, 16:23

More text & 2 page PDF of entire article posted in the 'UK MoD in a Muddle' thread earlier but this bit is puzzling.... LINK:

viewtopic.php?f=58&t=15969&p=382226&hilit=Hoyle#p382226
UK prepares the ground for its first Lightning IIs to strike
5-11 Dec 2017 CRAIG HOYLE

"...HMS Queen Elizabeth, will be commissioned by her namesake in Portsmouth on 7 December. The 65,000t vessel will go on to host the first landings by an F-35B in the second half of 2018, during trials conducted off the US east coast.

Further testing will take place in 2019 using HMS Prince of Wales, which will be delivered with a so-called Bedford Array system installed, enabling pilots to employ a shipborne rolling vertical landing (SRVL) technique...."

Source: Flight International | 5-11 December 2017
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Unread post26 Dec 2017, 00:21

Prolly from the QE FaceBook page but I got it via e-mail....
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Unread post26 Dec 2017, 18:28

spazsinbad wrote:Prolly from the QE FaceBook page but I got it via e-mail....


Actually it came from Twitter but whatever.
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Unread post19 Jan 2018, 05:09

I'm BITTER about TWITTER because it seems to be for and used by NUMnuts IMHO! Then again I don't have a mobile phone.
:applause: NICE 'alloycowboy' found this article & noted here: viewtopic.php?f=61&t=52872&p=386162&hilit=proof#p386162

Thought to extract relevant SRVL bits (leaving out stuff we know already; that has been Beaten to Death on this thread).
F-35 'incomparable' to Harrier jump jet, top test pilot tells El Reg
18 Jan 2018 Gareth Corfield

"...SRVL – a thoroughly British bit of innovation
...With the SRVL technique, however, the pilot combines the vertical landing and a traditional horizontal landing like you'd see at an airport. By doing this the amount of Bernoulli lift available is increased – and, in naval aviation terms, the number of unused missiles that can be brought home to fight again with is increased.

"It's a 35-knot overtaking speed at a seven-degree angle relative to the boat," Andy said. [WOD and ship speed ahead flatten the glideslope to 6 degrees prolly - this happens with glidepath for conventional carrier landings] "You're literally coming down at the perfect speed and the perfect angle. This is British, utterly British," he enthused. "Everything we've done with the VAAC Harrier at places like Boscombe [Down, home of British military aviation research], stuff with modelling on how aircraft flies, it's brilliant."

"The VAAC Harrier developed this years ago, with landings [they were SRVL APPROACHES AFAIK as the VAAC was not built for SRVL touchdowns on a flat deck but waved off LOW - otherwise the VAAC did VLs on the FrogCrarrier] on [French aircraft carrier] Charles de Gaulle and the principles behind it were invented by the British," said Andy. The VAAC (Vectored thrust Advanced Aircraft Control) system, developed over the 1980s and 1990s by the British aeronautical industry, was eventually incorporated in the production F-35B, as is being flown by the RAF, the Royal Navy, the US Marines and Italy. [Perhaps the reporter misinterpreted the 'approaches' quote for "landings"?]

That theme of automation also plays into the training for operating the F-35. According to both Andy and BAE Systems, the biggest sub-contractor on the F-35 project, around 3,000 hours of test flying have been completed on the full-motion simulator at BAE's Warton plant. Faith in the fidelity of the simulators is critical for the "flight" trials taking place in the UK, which includes both test flying and the training of landing signals officers (LSOs), who are F-35 pilots tasked with talking their comrades safely down to the deck. The simulators for both are linked, meaning the trainee pilot and trainee LSO can interact...."

Source: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/1 ... im_flight/
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Unread post19 Jan 2018, 05:18

spazsinbad wrote:WOT is RONG with this 3D model (at $295 no less): https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d ... aft/547776


I give up.. what's wrong?
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Unread post19 Jan 2018, 05:23

Aren't you good. :D Perhaps if you ZOOM in by clicking the image &/OR using your browser ZOOM function you will see? 8)

CLUE: middle of the deck - back a smidge - more or less....
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