F-35 useless against Iran?

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Unread post04 Feb 2012, 00:51

That_Engine_Guy wrote:
popcorn wrote:Do inflatable ruses register on SAR?


I know some of the better ones would, not to mention they had 'heaters' blowing the air into them so they appeared on IR like a real aircraft.

As for the post I had at the top of this page on the lines of 'fitting weapons for show'...

The RF-86F "Haymaker" had it's gun-ports painted on the nose, no guns were fitted.

The North Koreans figured out if there were no ports on the nose of a Sabre it was Recee version, so they'd attack it. Without guns the Haymakers were at a bit of a disadvantage.g

False gun-ports were painted onto the nose so that opposing pilots would have a difficult time distinguishing between the Haymaker and the Sabre.

BTW I love derailing troll threads...

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What's that metal pipe connecting the pod to the wing?
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Unread post04 Feb 2012, 01:10

Nice job. Is that a gun port painted on top of a fuselage 'blister'?
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Unread post04 Feb 2012, 03:49

That's a late model pickup truck in the background. And there is a blister below the cockpit. The handle in the intake cover looks pretty standard and more contemporary. The gun ports look artificial.... the cover over them in should look darker.

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Unread post04 Feb 2012, 04:01

Sabre Haymaker photo URL: http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared ... 4P-001.jpg

Blow up of the Pickup attached.
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Unread post04 Feb 2012, 05:28

maus92 wrote:The gun ports look artificial.... the cover over them in should look darker.


Artificial like "The RF-86F "Haymaker" had it's gun-ports painted on the nose, no guns were fitted."

The blisters covered the reconnaissance gear which also occupied all the space for the 6 - 50Cals in the nose.

That artificial?

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Unread post04 Feb 2012, 05:53

Thanks TEG. Where was the UPPERcut? :D
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Unread post04 Feb 2012, 07:26

The fake F-16 has a few errors. The nose gear door is on the wrong side, the horizontal tail trailing edge does not droop down, and the left tip missile is twisted nose up instead of nose down.
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Unread post04 Feb 2012, 07:29

johnwill wrote:The fake F-16 has a few errors. The nose gear door is on the wrong side, the horizontal tail trailing edge does not droop down, and the left tip missile is twisted nose up instead of nose down.


You must admit though on a bombing run in an enemy aircraft, or from a reconnaissance aircraft or satellite, it is pretty convincing...

Did anyone even notice the Fuel Truck is also an inflatable?

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Unread post04 Feb 2012, 09:17

I'm pretty sure most methods of reconnaissance would be hard pressed to discern between the two so I still believe decoys are viable.
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Unread post14 Mar 2019, 14:40

Israel seems to have figured the range thing out. Unless this was a whole Israel messes with Iranian heads gambit. I think we discussed these "missions" before, but were unable to decide if Israel actually pulled them off, or if it was just a psyops campaign. In any event, the IAIAF head has apparently been sacked. So the Iranians would seem to believe that Israel can overfly Iran at will.

IRIAF Commander reportedly fired after he kept secret that Israel F-35 stealth fighters had violaated Iran Airspace
By Dario Leone - Mar 13 2019

Iranian intelligence discovered that the Israeli F-35 stealth fighter jets had carried out this sortie as a test of the possibility of an undetected attack on Iranian outposts and bases, during which they photographed those sensitive bases, evading the Russian S-300 missile system's radar.

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https://theaviationgeekclub.com/iriaf-commander-reportedly-fired-after-he-kept-secret-that-israeli-f-35-stealth-fighters-had-violated-iran-airspace/
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post14 Mar 2019, 16:13

My apologies, this story appears to be old news that was recycled by the website theaviationgeekclub.com with few dates given. Further Googling of "Iranian Brigadier General Farzad Ismaili fired" turns up many hits, such as this one:

https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/1091 ... irans-sky/

And my memory cells suggest we have already extensively discussed his sacking.
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post14 Mar 2019, 16:51

For anyone that may be searching for threads wherein (alleged/reported) Israeli F-35 penetration of Iranian airspace occurred:

viewtopic.php?p=391954#p391954

viewtopic.php?p=395852#p395852
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post15 Mar 2019, 15:38

I think this discussion of US strike capabilities/ranges is a good one...

I see no gap though, given the sheer number and variety of medium and long ranged PGM's. At issue though is the cost of associated items, and we only have so many. The F-35 is a step in the right direction, not the least of which is due to its range. I can't even imagine how often bomb truck laden F-16's would have to tank. Really upping the gas in the F-35 was one of LM's finest accomplishments IMO. Amazing how they packed around 18,000lbs of fuel in that little airframe. The B has slightly less, but then again more than an F-15, with better lift to drag ratio and one engine. The whole discussion really highlighted the need in my mind for 150 or so B-21 Raiders.

It'll be one of the few platforms not requiring beacoup tanker support, carry a meaningful payload and likely will be the stealthiest of the bunch. We need that aircraft like, yesterday...
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