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Unread post17 Dec 2012, 05:05

So just mentally expanding on a previous posters comment about using non-ferrous materials to build the fuel tanks (which in theory, allows you to use the most aerodynamically efficient form) it brings up the follow-up Question 1: What is the radar reflectivity of kerosene? It seems to me that it would probably be transparent also but, could be wrong about that.

Question 2: Don't the drop tanks also include internal baffles to reduce fuel sloshing about, multiple internal fuel pickup tubes, fill ports with caps, connecting parts and such? It could prove challenging to get all those pieces radar transparent. How about fuel booster pumps? Are those tucked inside the tanks to push it out, or is the fuel sucked out?
If they do have pumps those would also have to be surrounded by radar absorbent or properly angled reflective materials.



I assume this must have been measured before because all our current and past fleets of stealth aircraft can and do on occasion dump their fuel for some reason. If dumping fuel was a signature problem then I suppose we wouldn't have heard about it but it may be public information.

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Unread post17 Dec 2012, 05:52

Can you do me a favour and take the discussion to the recent fuel tank posting please? Thanks. Yes threads go off topic but I think this one is clearly not about the external tanks as such - whereas the recent thread is. The details are:

F-35 External fuel tanks? 16 Dec 2012

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Unread post31 Dec 2012, 13:50

F-35 Freeware version released! 30 Dec 2012

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Unread post31 Dec 2012, 15:52

Maby A bit off-topic, but does any of the JSF models hava a trimangle for the wings? Is that common in fighters anyway?
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Unread post03 May 2013, 03:57

FSX F-35 by Dino Review at FlightSim.com (see first comment by Dino) Remember FOLK this is FREEware.... :D

Review: F-35 Lightning II 02 May 2013 By Dylan Brown

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Unread post03 May 2013, 07:27

thegroundeffect wrote:Maby A bit off-topic, but does any of the JSF models hava a trimangle for the wings? Is that common in fighters anyway?


I thing you meant trimangle = trapezoidal wing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trapezoidal_wing
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Unread post03 May 2013, 21:23

archeman wrote:Question 1: What is the radar reflectivity of kerosene? It seems to me that it would probably be transparent also but, could be wrong about that.


Water in liquid and solid form reflects radar energy, so I'd bet that kerosene does as well.
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Unread post06 May 2013, 03:49

I believe the properties of liquids namely the di-electrcic constant determines how well a return signal is obtained. Kerosene is around the 0.8 mark and water is a least an order of mangitude above that. So water is easy seen but not so sure about kerosene if the radar transitter is not tuned to it. This from my little experience in dealings I have with radar level transmitters in the refining and chemical industry, they are starting to use in greater numbers. Kerosene level can be seen but only becuase the te radar is tuned. (i think)
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Unread post07 May 2013, 00:27

It is probably related to Mie and Rayleigh scattering. The Rayleigh scattering cross section is proportional to [(n^2-1)/(n^2+2)]^2 where n is the index of refraction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mie_scattering
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Unread post07 May 2013, 01:12

This info has nothing whatsoever to do with F-35C Approach AoA, as requested earlier take a new thread for this discusion about fuel scattering radar beams OR go here as requested earlier. Thanks.

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Unread post10 Jun 2013, 10:20

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Unread post26 Jun 2013, 08:58

A way to learn how to carrier land without going to the carrier first is by FCLP. Here is a great freeware program with a virtual LSO who will grade your FCLP approaches in the same way this same program will grade your carrier approaches. What could be better than that? NO LSO! :D

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Unread post28 Oct 2014, 00:58

The F-35 in Prepar3D v 2.3 is made by Dino Cattaneo.
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Unread post18 Aug 2017, 13:33

A few threads mention Prepar3D and the freeware (now part of) Version 4 now 64bit Prepar3D. The 4 page PDF attached explains it and I'll gather the graphic is a screengrab from the new Version 4 of Prepar3D 64bits (and about time too). :roll:
Prepar3D Version 4
Sep/Oct 2017 PC Pilot No.111

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Unread post20 Aug 2017, 18:42

Salute!

Back to original question......

Look at HUD when on the approach.

Difference between the zero reference symbol, the "w" thingie, and the flight path marker.

Voila!!! Dat's your AoA.

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