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Unread post04 Apr 2010, 08:59

Narration (lecturer) states that concrete 'spalls' at 1,000 degrees F, while the computer simulation vertical landing shows that the concrete temp does not go above 600 deg F. Graphic a composite of screenshots from relevant video (beginning of part two).
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Unread post05 Apr 2010, 04:44

For those of you who might need it, I posted it on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8wSeIz9uL8
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Unread post05 Apr 2010, 04:59

Nice, in future during Red Flag when an F-35B has an IFE and decides to land in my back yard ... I now know it won't kill my Desert Tourtise! :lol:
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Unread post05 Apr 2010, 05:21

VarkVet wrote:Nice, in future during Red Flag when an F-35B has an IFE and decides to land in my back yard ... I now know it won't kill my Desert Tourtise! :lol:


Nice, finally some light at the end of the troll tunnell. Happy easter Vark.. :cheers: ...btw did u catch the recent flyover....4 varks different sweep to escort the new supers into brisbane....the timer is tickin on the ole girl..
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Unread post05 Apr 2010, 05:22

SpudManWP, Thanks for Utube upload.
RAN FAA A4G Skyhawk 1970s: https://www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ AND https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/
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Unread post05 Apr 2010, 20:04

Is the fan nozzle for the F-35B vectored?
If not, is it closed in the ski jump takeoff? Since the in the harrier the pilot rotates his nozzles about 45 or so degrees to the fuselage at the jump. How will the F-35B develop a similar maneuver?
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Unread post05 Apr 2010, 20:59

"Thrust vectoring can convey two main benefits: VTOL/STOL, and higher maneuverability. Aircraft are usually optimized to maximally exploit one benefit, though will gain in the other."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrust_vectoring
"Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II is currently in the pre-production test and development stage. Although this aircraft incorporates a conventional afterburning turbofan (F135 or F136) which facilitates supersonic operation, the variant for the US Marine Corps and RAF also incorporates a vertically mounted, Low pressure shaft-driven remote fan, which is driven through a clutch during landing from the engine. The exhaust from this fan is deflected by a thrust vectoring nozzle, as is the main engine exhaust, to provide the appropriate combination of lift and propulsive thrust during transition."
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In this very long thread there are many hints about how the JSF-B will be developed in an operational sense - particularly by the RN FAA (with help from USMC). One place to start on this thread would be here: http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopi ... t-210.html

The SRVL technique will apply to take off assist also - with / without jump de ski. Vectoring nozzle will enable both short takeoff, short landing and vertical landing while vertical takeoffs will probably never be done (except for testing and familiarisation for pilot). Nowadays computer controlled nozzling in the JSF-B will make life simple for the pilot. Read this thread for some more hints about this with reference to 'videos on simulators' showing how 'pushing the red freekin' button' will enable this JSF-B uniqueness.
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Unread post06 Apr 2010, 01:15

The F-35's nozzle can go from 0 deg (parallel to the plane of travel) to about 95 deg (pointing slightly forward) under the F-35.
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Unread post06 Apr 2010, 21:39

spazsinbad wrote:Spanish & RAN LHD eye candy cutaway (with Harriers) you can imagine the F-35Bs...


Imagining them on the decks of the LHD's will all you will ever be able to do unfortunately...
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Unread post06 Apr 2010, 22:12

Hmmm, Conan, that is how JSF-B ops will start for the RAN FAA if it is ever going to happen. All the talk about 'no plan' is fine until there is a plan. There is even talk/imagining of other fixed wing assets being employed on the RAN LHDs (as poor man substitutes for JSF-B). My interest is in advancing the plan for JSF-Bs on RAN LHDs by educating myself about the issues involved to enable that 'plan'. :arrow: :idea: :P
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Unread post07 Apr 2010, 03:35

spazsinbad wrote:Hmmm, Conan, that is how JSF-B ops will start for the RAN FAA if it is ever going to happen. All the talk about 'no plan' is fine until there is a plan. There is even talk/imagining of other fixed wing assets being employed on the RAN LHDs (as poor man substitutes for JSF-B). My interest is in advancing the plan for JSF-Bs on RAN LHDs by educating myself about the issues involved to enable that 'plan'. :arrow: :idea: :P




Will RN/RAF F-35B Pilots train at Eglin AFB along side USMC Pilots??? :?:
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Unread post07 Apr 2010, 04:27

Corsair1963, good question. Here is a web page: http://www.sldinfo.com/?p=3609 "Sldinfo’s Robbin Laird interviewed Colonel Tomassetti, 33rd Fighter Wing, Vice Commander, in early January 2010 and discussed the 33rd Fighter Wing’s approach to F-35 training and the nature of the training center."

Preparing for the F35: The 33rd Fighter Wing at Eglin Air Force Base Stands Up a Comprehensive Training Facility

..."SLD: What’s the thinking about involving the partner countries?
Colonel Tomassetti: Right now, there will be partner countries at Eglin, those who are already involved in the program and then whatever foreign military sales happen as we go down range. Exactly how many and which partner countries will appear at Eglin has not quite been determined yet. There will be some. It could be up to and including everybody who’s in the program right now, and we are preparing and planning for it to be of that magnitude. If it’s something less than that, then so be it but right now, we are working towards being able to accommodate every partner country who is involved with the program today and even doing a little planning for all those anticipated foreign military sales that may come later on down the road."
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F-35 pilot training on track despite problems By Andrew Tilghman - Staff writer
Posted : Tuesday Apr 6, 2010

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/04/n ... g_040510w/

"Development of a training pipeline for pilots and maintainers for the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter remains on track despite the recent problems with the jet’s cost and development schedule.

“Our focus has remained the same — to be ready when that first jet arrives,” said Navy Capt. Mike Saunders, deputy commander of the 33rd Operations Group, based at Eglin Air Force Base, Fla.

Saunders is helping oversee the joint command that is standing up the F-35’s first fleet training squadrons for the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps.

All three services plan to begin flying the F-35 within the next two years, Saunders said.

The first simulators arrived in late March, he said.

The Marine Corps’ training squadron, Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadron 501, stood up April 2, making the Corps the second service to formally create a training unit. The Air Force created the 58th Fighter Squadron last year. The Navy’s Strike Fighter Squadron 101 will stand up next year.

The Air Force and Marine Corps have several pilots at Eglin for training. The Navy, which will be the last service to put the F-35 into operation, expects to send its first pilots to the Florida base early next year.

The timeline for the training wing has not changed despite the wrangling among Washington bureaucrats about the shortcomings of the F-35 program, which is run by Lockheed Martin. Pentagon officials added 13 months to the fighter jet’s development schedule and warned that it may cost much more than initially thought.

The 33rd Fighter Wing staff and squadrons have 141 total personnel for all three services. Hangars, academic centers and a dining hall are under construction.

Initial staffers are developing standard operating procedures for the training squadrons, drawing up a curriculum and becoming technically familiar with the engine, software systems and other components of the new aircraft.

“We are really getting down into the devil in the details on this,” Saunders said.

Joint JSF Training
The joint training program for the F-35 at Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., will include three separate training squadrons for the Air Force, Marines and Navy.

• Air Force: 58th Fighter Squadron stood up in October. Has seven officers and one enlisted airman. First F-35A expected to arrive this fall.

• Marine Corps: VMFA-501 stood up April 2. Has eight officers and 23 enlisted Marines. First F-35B expected to arrive spring 2011.

• Navy: VFA-101 stands up in October 2011. First pilots expected to arrive in early 2011. First F-35C expected to arrive in early 2012."
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Relevant to operation / some training in UK only: http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics ... t_Aircraft

"In November 2005 it was announced that the F-35 main base will be RAF Lossiemouth, Scotland. Lossiemouth was selected due its existing facilities and access to training areas."
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Unread post07 Apr 2010, 05:55

RAF Official: http://www.raf.mod.uk/no1group/news/ind ... 6191920479

"F-35 in UK Service
In December 2009 the Joint Combat Aircraft (JCA) Project Team announced that it had secured funding for a 3rd F-35 test aircraft. The UK’s Test and Evaluation Squadron (TES) starts testing F-35s from Edwards AFB in the Mojave Desert in 2012. The UK Integrated Training Centre (ITC) will start to train maintainers and pilots at Eglin AFB, Florida, from 2014 and will return to the UK in 2019. All UK front line JSF aircraft will be based at RAF Lossiemouth with the first squadron due to be operational from 2017.

Much advantage is being taken of the development of simulators to enhance capability. As well as the F-35 Full Mission Simulators, the UK is procuring a number of two-cockpit Deployable Mission Rehearsal Trainers so that pilots can practice high-end warfighting even when deployed. This will also allow simulators to be linked together for mission rehearsal in large formations. Future developments are also planned that will allow training to be conducted with a mix of live flying, simulator flying and computer-generated aircraft and threats in a joint environment."
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Reference to training at Eglin here also: http://www.f-16.net/news_article3973.html
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Unread post07 Apr 2010, 06:54

spazsinbad wrote:Corsair1963, good question. Here is a web page: http://www.sldinfo.com/?p=3609 "Sldinfo’s Robbin Laird interviewed Colonel Tomassetti, 33rd Fighter Wing, Vice Commander, in early January 2010 and discussed the 33rd Fighter Wing’s approach to F-35 training and the nature of the training center."

Preparing for the F35: The 33rd Fighter Wing at Eglin Air Force Base Stands Up a Comprehensive Training Facility

..."SLD: What’s the thinking about involving the partner countries?
Colonel Tomassetti: Right now, there will be partner countries at Eglin, those who are already involved in the program and then whatever foreign military sales happen as we go down range. Exactly how many and which partner countries will appear at Eglin has not quite been determined yet. There will be some. It could be up to and including everybody who’s in the program right now, and we are preparing and planning for it to be of that magnitude. If it’s something less than that, then so be it but right now, we are working towards being able to accommodate every partner country who is involved with the program today and even doing a little planning for all those anticipated foreign military sales that may come later on down the road."
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F-35 pilot training on track despite problems By Andrew Tilghman - Staff writer
Posted : Tuesday Apr 6, 2010

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/04/n ... g_040510w/

"Development of a training pipeline for pilots and maintainers for the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter remains on track despite the recent problems with the jet’s cost and development schedule.

“Our focus has remained the same — to be ready when that first jet arrives,” said Navy Capt. Mike Saunders, deputy commander of the 33rd Operations Group, based at Eglin Air Force Base, Fla.

Saunders is helping oversee the joint command that is standing up the F-35’s first fleet training squadrons for the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps.

All three services plan to begin flying the F-35 within the next two years, Saunders said.

The first simulators arrived in late March, he said.

The Marine Corps’ training squadron, Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadron 501, stood up April 2, making the Corps the second service to formally create a training unit. The Air Force created the 58th Fighter Squadron last year. The Navy’s Strike Fighter Squadron 101 will stand up next year.

The Air Force and Marine Corps have several pilots at Eglin for training. The Navy, which will be the last service to put the F-35 into operation, expects to send its first pilots to the Florida base early next year.

The timeline for the training wing has not changed despite the wrangling among Washington bureaucrats about the shortcomings of the F-35 program, which is run by Lockheed Martin. Pentagon officials added 13 months to the fighter jet’s development schedule and warned that it may cost much more than initially thought.

The 33rd Fighter Wing staff and squadrons have 141 total personnel for all three services. Hangars, academic centers and a dining hall are under construction.

Initial staffers are developing standard operating procedures for the training squadrons, drawing up a curriculum and becoming technically familiar with the engine, software systems and other components of the new aircraft.

“We are really getting down into the devil in the details on this,” Saunders said.

Joint JSF Training
The joint training program for the F-35 at Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., will include three separate training squadrons for the Air Force, Marines and Navy.

• Air Force: 58th Fighter Squadron stood up in October. Has seven officers and one enlisted airman. First F-35A expected to arrive this fall.

• Marine Corps: VMFA-501 stood up April 2. Has eight officers and 23 enlisted Marines. First F-35B expected to arrive spring 2011.

• Navy: VFA-101 stands up in October 2011. First pilots expected to arrive in early 2011. First F-35C expected to arrive in early 2012."
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Relevant to operation / some training in UK only: http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics ... t_Aircraft

"In November 2005 it was announced that the F-35 main base will be RAF Lossiemouth, Scotland. Lossiemouth was selected due its existing facilities and access to training areas."



Very impressive training center to say the least. Which, should drastically cut the cost of training US and Allied future Fighter Pilots. Something the critics have seem to overlooked........... :wink:
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Unread post07 Apr 2010, 07:22

AFAIK, (I could look it up) the RAAF will eventually train in Oz with aircraft and simulators. I guess the Eglin gig is for initial training for first foreign instructors (or if a country does not have own training facilities then ongoing training).
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