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Unread post13 Aug 2015, 08:57

Spaz I think the irony is that the Chinese have become the biggest contributors to the western indusrial complex, in a generation. The reluctance to keep up with the joneses, will only last until Chinese carriers show up off of the Aussie coast. They are talking Nuclear powered with steam Cats. I predicts that within 20 years time the Far east will be a parking lot for carriers.
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Unread post13 Aug 2015, 09:00

I'm hoping LIAONING pays a courtesy visit to New Zealand soon to give the Kiwis a BAAAAAAH Humbug Wake Up.
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Unread post13 Aug 2015, 09:03

Yup they will, dig up some old chart that says chiinese fishermen landed there 1 thousand years ago.
Then find the nearest atoll, and pile dirt on it. Who wouldnt want to invade the Kiwis?! I like lord of the rings too ;-P
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Unread post13 Aug 2015, 09:18

"Liaoning II, please change course, the New Zealand government does not permit the passing of nuclear powered vessels in our waters."

"No thank you, we like it here."

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Unread post13 Aug 2015, 09:29

jessmo111 wrote:Spaz I think the irony is that the Chinese have become the biggest contributors to the western indusrial complex, in a generation. The reluctance to keep up with the joneses, will only last until Chinese carriers show up off of the Aussie coast. They are talking Nuclear powered with steam Cats. I predicts that within 20 years time the Far east will be a parking lot for carriers.



Maybe the RAN should get one..... :wink:
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Unread post13 Aug 2015, 12:29

Don't encourage them; they're already receiving over $100 billion to basically overhaul the Navy :mrgreen:
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Unread post13 Aug 2015, 14:18

Seems to me to be a lot of 'pie in the sky' in that very large ship building program. What has come to fruition (whilst awaiting F-35As) is the overhaul of our RAAF over the last decade. Simply amazing but well done nevertheless. It is about time the RAN had some largesse - even if only mythical at this early stage. Don't mention new subs.
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Unread post14 Aug 2015, 11:27

Lets see in the next few years

India will have multiple carriers: Check
China: Check
Japan: Check Nm the Helo carrier bull crap
SK:?
Thailand:?
malaysia:?
Will the Aussies be the only Major player to NOT have carriers?
Vietman Buying those minstrals BTW would realy annoy the Chinese.
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Unread post23 Sep 2015, 17:44

Egypt to buy two Mistral warships for 656 million pounds - source
23 Sep 2015 John Irish; Geert De Clercq; Mark Heinrich

"Egypt will pay 950 million euros (656.48 million pounds) for two Mistral helicopter carriers it has agreed to buy from France, a French defence ministry source said on Wednesday.

The two ships - whose planned sale to Russia was cancelled in August in protest over Russia's role in Ukraine - could be delivered to the Egyptian navy in March 2016, following training of Egyptian personnel, the source told Reuters.

"There is a certain satisfaction within the government about having settled the Russian affair in less than six weeks," the source said, adding the deal involves no technology transfer and that there is no decision yet on the ships' weaponry.

A government spokesman said earlier that France had agreed to sell the vessels to Egypt and would not incur a financial loss in the transaction."

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Unread post28 Nov 2015, 06:06

According to VADM Tim Barrett CoN RAN (Chief of Navy) [annuver birdie - this time Helo Observer/TACCO] in this speech given on 25 Nov 2015 on 24 Nov HMAS Canberra was declared to have attained IOC (9min 30sec mark). Otherwise a good speech about the RAN reconstituting itself for the fifth time since inception now with the LHDs (AFAIK NuShip Adelaide will be commissioned 04 Dec 2015) bringing vast new capabilities to the ADF, including networking, and a commitment by Oz Guvmnt to have a continuous ship building capability.
ASPI White Ensign Dinner 2015 - Chief of Navy VADM Tim Barrett (25 Nov 2015)
Published on Nov 26, 2015 ASPICanberra

"On Wednesday 25th November, ASPI and Lockheed Martin hosted the annual Chief of Navy’s White Ensign Dinner.

The event was opened by Mr Peter Jennings of ASPI, and the Chief of Navy was introduced by Raydon Gates, CEO of Lockheed Martin Australia and New Zealand.

Chief of Navy, Vice Admiral Tim Barrett, proposed that the RAN is entering a new era and creating a new ‘fifth generation’ naval force.

Vice Admiral Barrett addressed the Navy’s recent successes and its future challenges. The HMAS Hobart Air Warfare Destroyer was launched in May, and the keel was laid for HMAS Sydney just one week ago. The government has committed to a continuous build of surface vessels in South Australia, starting with the Armidale- and ANZAC-class replacements. Although the scheduled start dates of 2018 and 2020 will present organisational challenges, Vice Admiral Barrett argues that a continuous build presents an opportunity for innovation and evolution in the future RAN fleet.

RAN has also managed to improve the availability of the Collins submarine fleet significantly in recent years, and lessons learned will help inform the government’s Competitive Evaluation Process for the future submarine replacement.

The Vice Admiral also mentioned the opportunities for ADF inter-service cooperation presented by the introduction of the Canberra-class. He encouraged innovation in the ADF, and emphasised the value of the personnel in helping create the next generation RAN fleet."




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Unread post29 Nov 2015, 10:57

Transcript for the CoN speech above is here:
CN on continuous ship-building and deterrence
26 Nov 2015 Chief of Navy VADM Barrett RAN (speech date 25 Nov 2015)

"...The amphibious exercises off Cowley Beach in August this year with HMAS Canberra exceeded our expectations. Just yesterday [24 Nov 2015] I declared her to be at Initial Operating Capability.

We will commission her sister ship Adelaide next month [04 Dec 2015?] and with that will continue the certification process of the ADF amphibious capability...."

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Unread post01 Dec 2015, 23:22

Just hearsay of course - I wonder when the White Toilet Paper/Bog Roll unfolds? 2016?
No F-35Bs for RAN LHDs – report
08 July 2015 by australianaviation.com.au

COMMENT: “Chris G says : July 10, 2015 at 3:20 pm
BH the best document in the public domain re Spanish Navy ships is http://infodefensa.com/wp-content/uploads/JCI_en_v2.pdf (13.8Mb). The only changes to ours were in the starboard island structure particularly the ops rooms. I have confirmed that storage quantities are at least equal to those stated above without identifying by whom. People stating they are less are either misinformed or confusing long UK, metric and short USA quantities and specific gravity volume to weight conversions.

Spain designed Juan Carlos 1 for the F35B before the exhaust heat issue was fully known. The unique fueldraulic activation and focus of the exhaust on deck was lessened plus coatings found by the USN via trials on Wasp. The aircraft elevators dimensions are F35B compliant and weight limit MTOW. The hangar width is 2 x F35B wingspan plus. JC1 has a Precision Approach RADAR at the aft end of the island structure ours would need. Our RADARs are also different. After the Sea Giraffe is replaced by CEAFAR on the ANZACs post 2017 the same will become operationally unusable on our LHDs because opposing ESM will identify the high value LHDs immediately it is fired up. CEAFAR was still undergoing trials at the time the LHD tender went out. LHD sensors are going to have to be replaced in the near term anyway.

The main reason we need F35Bs at sea is because the RAAF cannot secure our ALOCs or SLOCs in the Indian, Pacific and Southern Oceans AOs from fixed bases from reasonable threats with their current equipment, acquisition plans and structure as nations like China and India develop their sea based fixed wing assets in that region. Never mind the aspiration of Japan and South Korea who have both built flat tops over the last decade or so. Italy, Spain, Turkey and other Europeans have acquired/are considering fixed wing aircraft at sea because they know the power projection advantages France, Russia, UK and USA have had securing ALOCs and SLOCs and intervening in conflicts when nearby air and sea ports were either denied politically, damaged by conflict or natural disaster or non existent.”

http://australianaviation.com.au/2015/0 ... ment-34278


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Unread post02 Dec 2015, 03:02

Yep 2016; I think it's Q1 or Q2 2016 (probably Q2) - one of the few unfortunate setbacks from the recent change in leadership.
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Unread post10 Dec 2015, 06:55

In the meantime, USS America has received it's Thermion facial in anticipation of F35 operations. MV-22 also heats up the deck quite a bit.

http://www.seapowermagazine.org/stories ... erica.html

AN DIEGO — The amphibious assault ship USS America (LHA 6) is the first West Coast ship to have its flight deck upgraded with a thermal spray coating in key landing areas in order to more fully support the F-35 Lightning II joint strike fighters (JSF) that will be attached to the ship during future operations, a spokesman for the ship said in a Dec. 8 release...
Posted: December 9, 2015 11:00 AM

America Modifications Increase Air Capabilities

americaSAN DIEGO — The amphibious assault ship USS America (LHA 6) is the first West Coast ship to have its flight deck upgraded with a thermal spray coating in key landing areas in order to more fully support the F-35 Lightning II joint strike fighters (JSF) that will be attached to the ship during future operations, a spokesman for the ship said in a Dec. 8 release.

America is more than halfway through its post-shakedown availability period (PSA) in which the ship’s crew and contractors make improvements to the ship’s design. About 20 percent of the work being performed is the normal maintenance associated with PSAs for newly constructed ships. The rest of the maintenance consists of the upgrades designed to support the JSF.

“When this ship was built, joint strike fighter testing was underway, most recently on the USS Wasp based on the East Coast at the time,” America’s commanding officer, CAPT Michael W. Baze, said in the release. “The lessons learned during the Wasp testing periods, lessons about the long-term sustainability of our ship flight decks during JSF operations as compared with the legacy AV-8B Harrier, are being incorporated into America’s design. These changes will become a part of subsequent LHA/LHDs moving forward, for example our follow-on LHA ship, the Tripoli, currently in construction.”

The new thermal coatings will allow America and subsequent ships of the class to handle the new JSF’s thrust and reduce heat sent to decks below allowing for longer time between deck maintenance.

“The beauty of the thermal spray is it is designed to wear a lot better under these types of conditions,” said Baze. “The con of thermion is it does costs a little more than the traditional non-skid we use in other parts of the ship that do not have to support joint strike fighter landings.”

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Unread post10 Dec 2015, 10:26

Well well well the MEME lives: [it is like 'eye-tracking' for HMDS]
"...The new thermal coatings will allow America and subsequent ships of the class to handle the new JSF’s thrust and reduce heat sent to decks below allowing for longer time between deck maintenance. “The beauty of the thermal spray is it is designed to wear a lot better under these types of conditions,” said Baze. “The con of thermion is it does costs a little more than the traditional non-skid we use in other parts of the ship that do not have to support joint strike fighter landings.”..."

We have it that THERMION transmits heat to the deck - away from itself - to protect itself as a NON-SKID deck coating that will LAST & LAST because it transmits this heat away (unlike conventional non-skid). The deck/landing spots are protected by extra steel plate (intercostal - between the ribs) underneath these spots.
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