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Unread post12 Jul 2014, 12:06

A great day for the Marines... oh, and for the Navy too.
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Unread post18 Jul 2014, 20:35

KamenRiderBlade wrote:My only question with the QE class STOVL carrier, is why is it's carrying capacity so low when it's almost as big as our Nimitz class.

Is it because of it's small Hangar underneath?


Point blank, its not the ship, its the number of planes the British politicians are buying.

The ship is fine. The British government went with a much larger ship while almost halving the number of tactical aircraft between the RAF and RN. As a result you'll see it only deploy with 12 F-35s while the ship itself could deploy with 36-40 and AEW/ASW/SAR aircraft. They say it'll surge capability of two more squadrons, but they completely discount the workups needed to get a squadron to sea, even STOVL.
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Unread post18 Jul 2014, 20:41

lookieloo wrote:
KamenRiderBlade wrote:Intriguing.

On a seperate note, this thought came to my head

Has anybody in history ever tried combining Catapult Launch + Ski-ramp system into 1 system to launch aircraft?

viewtopic.php?f=38&t=25726

Actually I posted this question here.
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=20426&start=45 ...scroll down... Image Never been tried though.


There's been talk about fitting a low power EMALS into a ski jump into a ski jump as a launch assist with heavy payloads. Problem is there's not really a customer to make it cost effective unless the US Navy starts fitting Ski Jumps on its ships.
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Unread post05 Aug 2014, 23:47

NUSHIP Canberra sails into Sydney
Published on Apr 11, 2014 RANmedia

"NUSHIP Canberra made history last month when she sailed into Sydney Harbour for the first time.

The first of two Landing Helicopter Dock ships being built for the Navy, Canberra's visit to Sydney was part of the contractor sea trials and testing program. This program proves systems and equipment prior to the ship being delivered to Defence.

The ship conducted a planned commercial docking in Sydney for a hull clean and final paint. As Canberra docked down, her size and scale was readily apparent.

The Sydney-based ship's company took the opportunity to conduct important familiarisation and induction training while the ship was in her future homeport. The ship's four Duty Watch teams carried out security and damage control training in preparation for taking responsibility for the ship.

Canberra has now departed Sydney to continue contractor sea trials. These trials will include a set of propulsion, speed and endurance trials on the way back to Melbourne.

Canberra is returning to Williamstown to prepare for the final phase of Contractor sea trials involving communications and combat systems."

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Unread post12 Aug 2014, 17:50

Are we going to LURN about F-35Bs on FLAT DECKS also?
U.S. and Australia to sign 25-year deal for Marines in Darwin
11 Aug 2014 Joshua Stewart

"The United States and Australia are expected to sign an agreement on Tuesday that will pave the way for 2,500 U.S Marines to rotate through the continent.

At a press conference on Monday in Sydney, Australian Minister of Defense David Johnston explained some aspects of the 25-year-long deal, saying it will allow around 2,500 U.S. Marines to train in the Northern Territory alongside Australian forces. His country will provide the Marines with hospitality and access to training ranges, including space for live fire exercises.

In return, Australia’s military will learn how to become more proficient at amphibious operations and disaster relief missions from U.S. Marines, Johnston said. He was joined at the press conference by Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel....

...So far around 1,200 Marines move through Australia on a rotational basis, but the U.S. wants 2,500 Marines to rotate through Darwin, Australia, by 2016. The first aviation combat element, a contingent of 100 Marines and four CH-53E Super Stallion helicopters, arrived in March...."

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Unread post12 Aug 2014, 22:06

spazsinbad wrote:Are we going to LURN about F-35Bs on FLAT DECKS also?
U.S. and Australia to sign 25-year deal for Marines in Darwin
11 Aug 2014 Joshua Stewart

"The United States and Australia are expected to sign an agreement on Tuesday that will pave the way for 2,500 U.S Marines to rotate through the continent.

At a press conference on Monday in Sydney, Australian Minister of Defense David Johnston explained some aspects of the 25-year-long deal, saying it will allow around 2,500 U.S. Marines to train in the Northern Territory alongside Australian forces. His country will provide the Marines with hospitality and access to training ranges, including space for live fire exercises.

In return, Australia’s military will learn how to become more proficient at amphibious operations and disaster relief missions from U.S. Marines, Johnston said. He was joined at the press conference by Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel....

...So far around 1,200 Marines move through Australia on a rotational basis, but the U.S. wants 2,500 Marines to rotate through Darwin, Australia, by 2016. The first aviation combat element, a contingent of 100 Marines and four CH-53E Super Stallion helicopters, arrived in March...."

Source: http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/article ... /308110050



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Unread post19 Aug 2014, 06:11

Spanish Harrier Ops as well as all the other Ops shown herein...
LHD Juan Carlos I, el gigante español
Published on July 17, 2014

"The LHD 'Juan Carlos I' was launched on March 10, 2008 and delivered to the Navy on 30 September 2010 has 231 meters long and displaces 26,000 tons full load. It can reach a maximum speed of 20 knots and has a range of 9000 miles at 15 knots.

It has four main decks: deck dock and garage for vehicles and heavy equipment, enabling main deck, hangar deck and garage for cars and light material, and flight deck with SKI-JUMP to port.

A provision is made for 261 people: 30 officers, 49 NCOs, 59 corporals and 123 first corporals and seamen."

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Unread post19 Aug 2014, 19:26

NUSHIP CANBERRA embarks on final trials
18 Aug 2014 BAE

"MELBOURNE, VICTORIA: NUSHIP CANBERRA, the first of two Landing Helicopter Dock (LHD) ships being built for the Australian Defence Force, has sailed on her final contractor sea trials before delivery to the Australian Government.

The ship departed Williamstown shipyard on 12 August as planned with the trials taking place in both Port Phillip Bay and off the southern coast of New South Wales before returning to Williamstown around the end of August.

Final contractor trials involve testing of the combat and communication systems along with some platform systems trials....

...The final trials also provide an ideal opportunity for a number of the crew to familiarise themselves with the ship following their training at the BAE Systems facility at Mascot, NSW, in which state-of-the-art simulation technology was developed and utilised to achieve technical competence in a cost-effective environment.

As well as demonstrating the ship’s capabilities, the trials will provide the team with valuable feedback regarding the effectiveness of the training program. The utilisation and extent of virtual training within LHD has been a new approach for the RAN and the feedback received from the crew so far has been very positive...."

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Unread post20 Aug 2014, 03:53

IF the RAAF (bless their cotton socks) include future F-35Bs in their force structure then PERHAPS there is a chance for occasional F-35Bs on LHDs but HEY BRUDDA - wot about the RAN? People disbelieve me when I rail against the RAAF in the early 1970s when they just refused to co-operate with RAN FAA A4Gs. See where Brown heads NOW? ARMY and the Frickin' Crabs baby... :doh: :devil: :roll: :shock: :mrgreen:
RAAF pitches for key role in strategy
19 Aug 2014 AAP

"As the big powers face off against each other, the RAAF wants air power to be the central element of Australia's upcoming defence strategy document.

RAAF chief Geoff Brown says some believe Australia's optimum defence structure should feature an upgraded army with the RAAF continuing to play a vital, if invisible, role - as it has in recent conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

But the air marshal says neither the government nor the Australian people have much enthusiasm for long-term nation-building operations far from our immediate region.

The RAAF could provide the government with multiple response options, ranging from rapid delivery of humanitarian aid to bombing missions or just placing an adversary at risk to influence behaviour....

...The white paper needed to consider recent operations and ensure defence was prepared to confront the emerging world, rather than the era just past, he said.

"The enduring qualities of air power are even more relevant as we move into an era of rising major power confrontation."

Air Marshal Brown said the new F-35 would be the smartest and most agile aircraft ever to fly, providing the RAAF with a winning edge well into the future.

RAAF's transformation into a force able to respond to emerging challenges would be driven by the new Plan Jericho to be released early in 2015."

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Unread post26 Aug 2014, 23:43

LH02 Oz First LHD with flight deck painted August 2014 on 2nd Sea Trials + Old Video shows INTERNALS very well:

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Unread post16 Oct 2014, 06:22

NUSHIP Canberra trials lately have gone well with ship likely to handed to RAN soonish. Meanwhile training for deck crew takes place at NAS Nowra on DUMMY DECK shown in VIDEO (and in a large simulator building in Sydney - not shown).

SEARCH for more videos using 'NUSHIP' at main page URL below.
NUSHIP Canberra Live Aircraft Collective Training
Date: 26.08.2014 Duration: 2:11 RAN

"NUSHIP Canberra's Air Department conducted collective training with live aircraft on the multispot "dummy" deck which is used for Landing Helicopter Dock flight deck training at HMAS Albatross. Check this video out for more information about the training."

48Mb .MP4 video: http://cp114370.p1.videos.viostream.com ... _mp4hd.mp4
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NUSHIP Canberra AVN Mission rehearsal Training
Date: 28.07.2014 Duration: 2:46 RAN

"NUSHIP Canberra's Air Department conducted mission rehearsal training on the multispot "dummy" deck which is used for Landing Helicopter Dock flight deck training at HMAS Albatross. Check this video out for more information about the training."

63Mb .MP4 video: http://cp114370.p1.videos.viostream.com ... _mp4hd.mp4
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NUSHIP Canberra Duty Watch Certification
Date: 09.10.2014 Duration: 2:58 RAN

"Members of NUSHIP Canberra’s first Duty Watch teams are preparing to take responsibility for the first Landing Helicopter Dock – the largest ship ever built for Navy. The Duty Watch teams will be responsible for the safety and security of the ship while in harbour. Find out what the teams are up to by watching this video."

67Mb .MP4 video: http://cp114370.p1.videos.viostream.com ... _mp4hd.mp4
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NUSHIP Canberra sails into Sydney
Date: 11.04.2014 Duration: 2:00 RAN

"NUSHIP Canberra made history last month when she sailed into Sydney Harbour for the first time. The first of two Landing Helicopter Dock ships being built for the Navy, Canberra’s visit to Sydney was part of the contractor sea trials and testing program. This program proves systems and equipment prior to the ship being delivered to Defence. The ship conducted a planned commercial docking in Sydney for a hull clean and final paint. As Canberra docked down, her size and scale was readily apparent. The Sydney-based ship’s company took the opportunity to conduct important familiarisation and induction training while the ship was in her future homeport. The ship's four Duty Watch teams carried out security and damage control training in preparation for taking responsibility for the ship. Canberra has now departed Sydney to continue contractor sea trials. These trials will include a set of propulsion, speed and endurance trials on the way back to Melbourne. Canberra is returning to Williamstown to prepare for the final phase of Contractor sea trials involving communications and combat systems."

44Mb .MP4 video: http://cp114370.p1.videos.viostream.com ... _mp4hd.mp4

Source: http://video.navy.gov.au/?mediaId=a1b7c ... aee6ab8bf6

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Unread post27 Oct 2014, 20:37

Attached is the PDF submission to Aust. Federal Parliament about Oz F-35Bs on Oz LHDs by Dave Baddams (bio below) along with co-authors (see end of PDF).
2015 Defence White Paper Submission
PROXIMITY MEANS CAPABILITY Operating F-35Bs from the Canberra-class LHDs
Oct 2014 David Baddams

"EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
The submission argues that acquisition and operation of the F-35B aircraft from the Canberra-class Land Helicopter Docks (LHD) is affordable, feasible and desirable. Embarked air power would give the Government of Australia (GoA) and the Australian Defence Force (ADF) a significant and necessary increase in decisive air power to support deployed ADF forces and assist the prosecution of foreign policy objectives.

The submission describes the strategic and military considerations surrounding embarked air power. It addresses the technical and organisational issues involved and outlines a scenario where embarked air power would have a decisive impact in ADF operations.

Finally, it provides conclusions and recommendations for consideration by the Defence Review....

...The Author
David Baddams, 55, was a fighter pilot in the Royal Australian Navy from 1978 to 1984, and then the Royal Navy from 1984 to 1999. In the latter he commanded 800 Naval Air Squadron on multiple operational deployments, including strike fighter operations over Iraq from HMS Invincible in the North Arabian Gulf, and over Kosovo. In 2000 and 2001 he was the Hawk Production Flight Air Test Pilot for most of the RAAF's 33 Hawk lead-in fighter trainers. Since then he has been sales director for Britten-Norman, and in 2013 founded his own aviation support company, Snow Goose International. For SGI client BAE Systems he planned and piloted air support for Nuship Canberra in Port Phillip Bay during her final contractor's sea trials in August 2014. David was appointed MBE in 1998 for Leadership in Air Operations. He lives in Tamworth, New South Wales.

Source: http://www.defence.gov.au/Whitepaper/do ... addams.pdf (158Kb)
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Unread post28 Oct 2014, 00:08

spazsinbad wrote:..]2015 Defence White Paper Submission
PROXIMITY MEANS CAPABILITY Operating F-35Bs from the Canberra-class LHDs
Oct 2014 David Baddams..


I wouldn't disagree with the assessment, but....would the RAAF initially give up some of the (100?) F-35As for the RAN (20-30?) F-35Bs? :)
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Unread post28 Oct 2014, 00:33

The PDF canvasses a way to do it that will ease any RAAF pain. I have suggested (also an instance in an older white paper submission [not by me] on this thread about the RAAF taking charge always but willing to go onboard as required - which is relatively easy as argued in the above PDF - with RAN exchanges in pilot/maintainer roles - so that the RAAFie Chappies can learn some RANspeak) that RAAF have 'em. We will know more in the WHITE Paper 2015. The RAAF should be able to accommodate Bs with the As - but who knows with a former A4G pilot (now in RAAF) head of the entire ADF for fsake - TODAY and for the next four (or eight years perhaps). :devil:

The author of the above PDF Baddams was on a nearby RAAF basic/advanced flying training course as the now Chief of Defence Force ACM Air Chief Marshal Binskin - they flew A4Gs together in the RAN. Photo shows them together at beginning of their A4G OFS Operational Flying School in 1980 at NAS Nowra on VC-724 Squadron.
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