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F-16 mid air refueling

Unread postPosted: 03 Dec 2017, 07:59
by saberrider
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH2E2-D_64M In this video will see that the flaps are down about some degrees but not 20 full flaps down. This was choose by pilot( HOW ?)or FLCS adapt to conditions ? Setting are only 20 symmetrical down or up2 degrees in supersonic .

Re: F-16 mid air refueling

Unread postPosted: 03 Dec 2017, 21:12
by guy@rdaf.dk
Flaps will go down (20 degree) once you open the air refuel door and the FLCS goes into T/O and LDG gains. Same as selecting Alternate Flaps Switch to Extend or selecting LDG Gear Down.

Re: F-16 mid air refueling

Unread postPosted: 03 Dec 2017, 22:07
by saberrider
Thanks, but here appear to be almost up( @5degrees).These mean that the speed is @370Knots when flap go up?

Re: F-16 mid air refueling

Unread postPosted: 04 Dec 2017, 09:40
by yooper65
For the Romania F-16A (Blk 15) Aircraft - the TE Flaps should be 20 degrees down at 240 knots and should be almost fully retracted at 370 knots

Re: F-16 mid air refueling

Unread postPosted: 04 Dec 2017, 20:24
by guy@rdaf.dk
Typical AR speed for the F-16 is 310 KTS. If you are very heavily loaded and the tanker is near the top of block 2, you might consider to asking him to speed up a bit, so as to have a better margin for the backside of the power curve. Alternately you can ask him to descend or you can use minimum burner, but that is not recommended according to the manual (even though it works just fine for a Blk. 15 with a -220 engine). I doubt that the KC-135 can do 370 KTS in level flight at medium altitude (FL200 and above).

Re: F-16 mid air refueling

Unread postPosted: 04 Dec 2017, 20:37
by saberrider
yooper65 wrote:For the Romania F-16A (Blk 15) Aircraft - the TE Flaps should be 20 degrees down at 240 knots and should be almost fully retracted at 370 knots
Thanks man where do you get this info ?

Re: F-16 mid air refueling

Unread postPosted: 05 Dec 2017, 13:06
by bouliult
saberrider wrote:
yooper65 wrote:For the Romania F-16A (Blk 15) Aircraft - the TE Flaps should be 20 degrees down at 240 knots and should be almost fully retracted at 370 knots
Thanks man where do you get this info ?


Be aware that when placing the air refuel switch to open the FLCS go to landing gains BUT the trailing edge flaps stay up. They will only schedule down with the ALT Flap switch in extend OR the LDG gear handle down. In the video the Trailing edge flaps are in the neutral position.

Re: F-16 mid air refueling

Unread postPosted: 05 Dec 2017, 21:51
by guy@rdaf.dk
bouliult wrote:
saberrider wrote:
yooper65 wrote:For the Romania F-16A (Blk 15) Aircraft - the TE Flaps should be 20 degrees down at 240 knots and should be almost fully retracted at 370 knots
Thanks man where do you get this info ?


Be aware that when placing the air refuel switch to open the FLCS go to landing gains BUT the trailing edge flaps stay up. They will only schedule down with the ALT Flap switch in extend OR the LDG gear handle down. In the video the Trailing edge flaps are in the neutral position.


True, I was a bit to quick with my answer. My bad :-)

Re: F-16 mid air refueling

Unread postPosted: 10 Apr 2019, 09:35
by coffer
I don't want to create new thread. Why does IFR door first open and only then close after refueling? It is used to proper align of sealer?
Upd: Found. Door folds and unfolds in the up position

Re: F-16 mid air refueling

Unread postPosted: 12 Apr 2019, 23:11
by magnum4469
Just my :2c: but it should be air to air refueling, not mid air... Anytime I hear "mid air" it means collision.

Re: F-16 mid air refueling

Unread postPosted: 13 Apr 2019, 13:50
by Patriot
guy@rdaf.dk wrote:Flaps will go down (20 degree) once you open the air refuel door (...)

Ive never seen that happened. Refuel door are opened and the flaps remain retracted the entire time

https://youtu.be/12XR2oJ9wD0

Re: F-16 mid air refueling

Unread postPosted: 14 Apr 2019, 07:40
by saberrider
Patriot wrote:
guy@rdaf.dk wrote:Flaps will go down (20 degree) once you open the air refuel door (...)

Ive never seen that happened. Refuel door are opened and the flaps remain retracted the entire time

https://youtu.be/12XR2oJ9wD0

Maybe the speed is higher than that when the fully deployed is done. Because time to deploy and return to 0 angle is @ 8sec.Depending by tanker the speed of the both of the aircraft will not be every time the same.