Incentive rides - What maneuvers?

Unread postPosted: 17 Oct 2006, 02:02
by Spiker
1. When someone gets an incentive ride, is there a standard routine that the pilot will follow or will he improvise based on the rider?

2. If you had the chance to only have one incentive ride, what maneuvers would you want to perform?

Unread postPosted: 17 Oct 2006, 02:15
by Meathook
In my experience, it has been "what ever you can handle or what level (within reason) you ask to be taken too"...depending on your stamina or tolerance (and how you handled the last maneuver you performed). I have seen it where you can be taken for a ride that is nice and smooth, a few twists and turns here and there.

However, I have seen it (done it myself) where the rider is taken pretty close to a full our experience...it all depends on the person and what the pilot feels you can handle (no one wants to see you ruin your ride or get hurt from it). After all, the high G environment is Not to be taken for granted.

Sorry to say, a few folks have developed serious problems from it (think about it, it is not a ride for pure enjoyment although over 90% feel that way about it), recently (as many heard)..a person died from it. It can and on rare occasions happen, the USAF does not want to even get close to something like that happening...ever.

I say life is worth living and if you get the chance, I would suggest you take the ride of a lifetime, as you know, very few get that chance, I say 'go for it" and take the risk...you only live once!

Fly a Viper, life will never be the same again!

Unread postPosted: 17 Oct 2006, 13:49
by TJSmitty
I have had two rides, one an "incentive" ride and the other a cross country. During incentive ride (81-0815) we did a max climb, barrel rolls, loops, I even got to put the jet into a stall (we were at 18,000 feet). I got to pull 9g's (got my 9g pin) and I got to break Mach 1 (1.08 according to the HUD tape). It was fantastic, the whole flight lasted 1.1 hours and when we landed we were "out of gas".

The only ill effects that I had was from all of the g's, I got "g measles", little spots on my skin from tiny blood vessels that ruptured during the g's it didn't hurt and it went away after a couple of days.

The cross country was from Lakeland, FL to Nelllis, (86-0041) that was AMAZING, I enjoyed seeing all of the interaction between the ground and air controllers. We got to aerial refuel twice, both with KC-135s. We did some formation flying and it lasted a little under 4 hours. I was very lucky, to have had the opportunity to fly in the F-16.

I have to agree with Meathook, Once you fly in a Viper, you're never the same again!!

Smitty

Unread postPosted: 17 Oct 2006, 13:52
by Meathook
:thumb: Roger That Smitty

Unread postPosted: 17 Oct 2006, 15:30
by falconfixer860261
Definitely ruins rollercoasters.....

Unread postPosted: 17 Oct 2006, 15:39
by TJSmitty
falconfixer860261 wrote:Definitely ruins rollercoasters.....


The Mission Space ride at Disney Epcot in Florida is the closest thing to simulating g's that I have come across (albeit, it's only 2 - 3 g's)

I think more people have gotten sick on that than in the back seat of an F-16.

How many little white bags have you seen???

The only time I even got close to "loosing it", was during some of the "low level" runs on the way back to the base, I had to switch to "IFR" and stay focused on the instruments, nice deep breaths.

Smitty

Unread postPosted: 18 Oct 2006, 02:45
by TC
My pilot asked me what I wanted to do, saying "This is your ride. I want you to enjoy it." I wanted to do a max climb on takeoff, break Mach, and then I wanted to pull a lot of Gs, figuring I might as well jump on the opportunity, should it never come again. We did all three. 8) We did a lot of acro too. It was a helluva ride.

I was fortunate enough to get another before I got out. Both were great experiences, and I have to say, that if you ever get the chance, don't pass it up. I kept telling my sis to get a ride in the Eagle before she retired, but she kept backing out everytime she was offered. Tsk. Tsk.

Unread postPosted: 18 Oct 2006, 02:55
by vinnie
Depends on how hung over the pilot is, I was TDY to Miramar and and the night before my flight we ran into our pilots at a restaurant, about 2200 hrs, they were blitzed, at 0900 the next day we took off, was OK but he didn't want to do much. think I got 4 G's

Unread postPosted: 18 Oct 2006, 09:20
by c_pastorius
I got my flight at Cannon when the big fires were going on up in Colorado. We did a max climb take off and all you hear on the HUD tape is me saying "holly f**k thats awesome" We flew up to Colorado to see the fires it amazed me of all the other aircraft fighting the fire. On the way back he ask if I wanted him to do a AGM 65 shot. I said sure the next thing I knew we were upside down and diving. He lined up a shot on a 18 wheeler then pulled up. I left it ALL in the bag after that. Great ride I miss my 16's

Ride

Unread postPosted: 27 Oct 2006, 23:19
by aggressor271
I revived my first ride while TDY to Holloman. It was classed as A FAM flight we were cleared out to the North and had the airspace to ourselves. we did everything that the pilot could think of..... Sick...SICK. SICK!!! Thanks "FACE"
I didnt care though it was AWESOME!!!

My next ride was in Korea and the pilot was perforing bombing runs.... once again sick....SICK....SICK!!!

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Unread postPosted: 03 Nov 2007, 04:13
by 997KSEF
I got a ride while TDY at Barksdale AFB in LA. We did all the normal stuff: 9G inside loops, rolls, max climb, slow flight then burner up to mach. I think the best part was just having the controls and flying VFR around some clouds. The F-16 is like flying on a magic carpet! We also buzzed a water skier and made a couple of bomb runs on a old barn. I really hated that crew chiefs had such a hard time getting a flight when combat camera, life support, B list celebs, ROTC, and local officials could get one at the drop of a hat. Plus, they always missed the white bag or dropped something under the seat.

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Unread postPosted: 04 Nov 2007, 00:43
by JoeSambor
My first incentive ride was at Shaw in 1987; but it wasn't an incentive ride, it was an "orientation ride" because we couldn't fly incentive flights for a while after the F-16 with incentive rider was lost in Honduras. We did air-to-air intercepts, taking turns being the bad guy. We took off, headed out to the fight, and the pilot told me to keep my eyes open and watch for bogeys. I spotted the bogey a few minutes into the fight, and called out "Bogey, 5 o'clock low" and sat stunned as the pilot whipped the jet around and back and shot the guy in the face. That was truly a great moment, well worth the barfing that took place later.


My second was at Misawa, and was a great flight as well (is there a bad one?). We took off, headed for the mountains, did a simulated attack on a ski lodge (there's about forty within two hours of Misawa AB) and then headed out over the ocean for a Mach run. The pilot said, "Okay, let's do some maneuvers. First I'll do it, then you do it." Hell yeah!! He showed me a 90-degree combat turn and then asked me to do the same thing, but hold it to 180 degrees. I did so, and pulled 6.2 gs in the turn! No graying out, no problems, I was loving it! We didn't pull 9 gs (I wasn't interested in that anyway) due to our stores load but I did loops, barrel rolls, even an Immelman turn! That ride I have on video.

I did have to chuckle a little when the pilot sat on the ladder just after I strapped in, and started briefing me on the MFDs, throttle, etc. I politely reminded him that I was an Avionics troop and pretty much knew what they all did. In fact, we had a redball on launch which I talked him through. No way was I going to miss that one!

Best Regards,

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Unread postPosted: 06 Nov 2007, 12:50
by ACMIguy
My ride took place in Homestead with the 93FS. We were using a D model loaner from Luke s/n 0040 which shortly after my hop crashed and killed Maj Tom Carr.
We started out with a AMRAAM shot on a C-130 returning from Key West, then moved to a heater shot on a Navy jet. As we approached Key West we switched on the Ground Mapping radar mode and set up for a CCIP drop. I was totally amazed at how much you could see using the radar.
We then flew down to the Dry Tortugas and did a dive toss run on Ft. Jefferson.
We proceeded to the Gulf of Mexico where he dispensed some chaff and flare then he turned the stick over to me.
He talked me through BFM, rolling inverted and pulling loops and rolls.
He took over control and we did a 9G turn then he let me put it into full burner for our Mach-1 dash. After we went supersonic he backed off the throttle and put out the speed break, it was just like the movie Apollo 13 when the Saturn V staged. Remember when Tom Hanks said "get ready for a little jolt fellows" well it was just like that!
Then we vectored back to Miami and he let me play with locking onto some airliners going to MIA, before we landed back in Homestead with the low fuel light burning bright.
That ride really gave me a better insight as to what they were talking about in debrief, and was not only the best educational experience but the most fun you can have with or without clothes on.

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Unread postPosted: 06 Nov 2007, 14:04
by MaddogF16
Sounds like each of you had a great time....barf bag or not..!! That's exactly what we want when you do get your incentive sorties. Trust me we know how hard you bust your A$$ for us and this is just a small token of our appreciation that we can give back.
I generally would offer up things we could do and then let you choose. No harm, no foul if you didn't want to do anything but site see....I've done alot of that with pitters. The coast of SC has some great sites during the summer..!! Generally the only limitations we have is that we're not suppose to go above 18,000 feet as you're suppose to have had chamber training to do that. I think most of my riders liked the initial takeoff, low level flying to an attack, and then loops, aileron rolls, immelman, etc followed by going super sonic. Cloud chasing was always a good one too......Hope everyone gets the chance of a life time to ride in the "Mighty Viper"......

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Unread postPosted: 06 Nov 2007, 16:33
by Pilotasso
"Zoom boom throw up on your helmet ride". :lmao: My fav manuever. I tried myself in aerobatic gliders, havent gotten lucky enough for a real fighter yet. :D

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Unread postPosted: 06 Nov 2007, 20:55
by SixerViper
I guess I never kissed the right asses to get an incentive ride. Good thing I've got my own pilot's license! About the only thing left to do in an airplane that I haven't done is go supersonic, make a cat shot, and make a trap. Of course, unless I hit the mega lottery, I won't ever do these things, but that's all right. I, too, am utterly appalled at who gets rides while the maintainers don't. I didn't even get one when I retired because our Ops people didn't consider retirement rides "incentive" rides.

When I was a 5-hour student pilot in Duluth MN in 1970, I did get a ride in a T-33. That was a blast, even if we couldn't go supersonic. Just wish I could have flown the plane better. I was all over the sky. Guess I was just never in the right place at the right time.

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Unread postPosted: 06 Nov 2007, 22:42
by Pilotasso
Well yes... making a cat launch...that could prove to be even harder here... you see, no carriers. :lmao: My brothers an AF pilot, I work in the aircraft maintenance engineering and have occasionaly been involved with the MLU program but theres so much luck I can get in a country that only has 40 jets and no civilians allowed unless the incentives are mediatic and promoted by the defense ministry and a -.

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Unread postPosted: 07 Nov 2007, 01:43
by ACMIguy
Pilotasso wrote: I can get in a country that only has 40 jets and no civilians allowed unless the incentives are mediatic and promoted by the defense ministry and a -.


Try wearing a skirt that works pretty good sometimes :lol:

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Unread postPosted: 07 Nov 2007, 03:24
by 03fomoco
I have read on here for years and finally had to register to chime in here. I am full time guard and about number 500 on the incentive ride list which should be about 4 more years. I can't wait. I have about 10 hours in an Extra 300 (aerobatic prop plane) and while an insane aircraft I want to know what the shear acceleration of a 16 feels like. How low can you go for a low level? I know departure from controlled flight won't be an option but what about something similar to a flat spin which in a jet I guess would be a tight rudder turn on the dreaded IFR death spiral? Any input from the Viper drivers? I fully plan on not eating anything but a Banana (taste the same either way it is going) and rarfing multiple times. I have pulled plus 6 minus 4 in an Extra and it truly does not have words to explain it. I want that 9g memory bad. I already find any amusement ride boring but I need something to make the Extra 300 boring.

Re: Incentive rides - What maneuvers?

Unread postPosted: 24 Jun 2019, 06:45
by rocketeer61
The F-16 has been my not-so-secret love since I saw a Block 1 on the ramp at Hill in 1980, and after 39 long years of waiting and watching Vipers overheard I finally checked the last item off my bucket list when this creaky 57 year old got a fam flight at Luke with the 310th FS "Tophats." All the Squadron people from the Airmen to my pilot were top tier all the way and made me feel at ease and at home from the get go.

After my videographer spouse and I attended gear fit and egress training I was scheduled to step at 1245 the next day. The checklist advised 16 hours crew rest and 8 hours sleep but I was too wired to do either and I think I slept for about 3 hours like the 3 from the night before. Had a Sonic banana shake in the AM just in case. Reported to the 310th and had to wait while my pilot attended a classified briefing. Afterward my wife and I got a briefing and I started to get the feeling that I wasn't going to fly around the flag. No camera in the cockpit for this flight, BTW.

Piled into a van with a bunch of pilots and went out to the ramp. We got out and walked up to the bird, and when I saw a near complete loadout on the wings the adrenaline kicked in. Got my posed ladder pics taken beforehand in case I was the same color as my flight suit afterward. We taxied out and got to watch two F-35 "Fat Amys" land right in front of us. Took off and headed for Gila Bend Range and got my first taste of Gs. We pulled 5 on the first turn and I told my pilot I'd be really happy if he kept the rest to that number or lower, which mission permitting he did.

After we got to the range, he handed me the aircraft and I did a few rolls and turns and the mandatory Mach 1 speed dash. The weather was CAVU and I could see across AZ and CA all the way to the Pacific. The pilot then took the aircraft to fly the mission and as soon as I let go of the controls I was instantly sick. I had the piddle pack instead of the white bags under the right ATAGS elastic on the advice of an egress troop and very nearly had to use it, but I figured out that by rotating my open sleeve cuffs back and forth over the center A/C vent and letting the cold air blow on the insides of my forearms, taking my mask on and off, toggling emergency air and 100% O2 on and off and doing the fixed point stare I could just barely keep my stomach at bay.

Flew back to Luke 2 ship and watched our wingman do a 360 inspection before we did the same and then finally broke right and landed as smooth as anyone ever has. There was so much going on in the cockpit during the flight that I didn't really catch up to the aircraft until I was taking my helmet off. I have a lot of great memories and HD ground pics/footage and the (unused) piddle pack is on display in my man cave folded up in the clear case the GoPro I bought for the flight came in.

Everyone who says a Viper ride is a life-changer couldn't be more right. If you ever get the chance to do it and if you have the time beforehand get yourself in shape-you'll definitely need to be.

Re: Incentive rides - What maneuvers?

Unread postPosted: 24 Jun 2019, 14:23
by sprstdlyscottsmn
I wish that was an experience a civilian could have.

Re: Incentive rides - What maneuvers?

Unread postPosted: 25 Jun 2019, 21:07
by vilters
A good pilot flies what the client can sustain, and that should be clear during an informal before flight briefing.

On a second note:
All civilians are scared. Most are prepared to sustain the acceleration, some prepare for "G"s, but few expect the deceleration. And deceleration should be part of the demo.

The civilian should also prepare by being fit.
No drinking or drugs at least a week before the flight.
Well rested and hydrated.

A light meal before the flight, in preference together with the demo pilot. (Mostly to calm the client down and earn confidence and trust before the flight.)

Trusting the pilot (yeah, very personal but very important for a safe and enjoyable flight)

The purpose is to make the client enjoy the ride, not to scare them off.

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Unread postPosted: 25 Jun 2019, 22:34
by saberrider
Yes,is true, for me the unloading part was very disturbing ,and tired from work add to disconfort.

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Unread postPosted: 26 Jun 2019, 15:23
by rocketeer61
Vilters is right on all counts but one: I wasn't scared at all because I'm one of those adrenaline junkies who is missing the fear gene. When I was a kid my parents wondered if I'd make it to adulthood and even now my wife sometimes wonders if I'm going to make it to old age. I think my self-imposed G limit stemmed from the fact that I'm not a twenty-or thirtysomething fighter pilot but a fiftysomething retiree. I am in really good shape for my age but twist me just right and like a lot of middle agers I feel it.

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Unread postPosted: 29 Jun 2019, 20:40
by jaws
I had my familiarization ride in July 2014, I can't believe it's been 5 years ago. It was definitely the best day of my career.

We had a normal A/B take-off, climbed to 18K, leveled off, flew south to the range, did a few rolls, and some other BFMs. It was so wild the first time I realized I was upside down looking through that D-model canopy. The view the canopy gives is amazing.

The highlight of the ride was the split-S manuever, .97 mach, pulled 9Gs. I honestly thought my femurs were going to shatter when the G-suit filled its bladders. I started to gray-out a bit but strained more to consciousness.

We were also the target of intercept for some Alert Vipers, so cool flying in formation with live-loaded jets.

Never had to use the airsickness bags either.

The aircraft was configured with -120s on 1 & 9, AMD on 2, centerline tank, -9X on 8.

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Unread postPosted: 29 Jun 2019, 21:37
by f-16adf
The Block 42 must have been a blast.

Well, for those of us that will never have the chance for a ride in a F-16. I guess here is the next best opportunity: http://www.jetwarbird.com/

Re: Incentive rides - What maneuvers?

Unread postPosted: 06 Jul 2019, 18:10
by jaws
Here's an article and video about a local reporter that flew with the 180th Fighter Wing recently.

"Into The Wild Blue Yonder": 13abc's Dan Smith flies with the 180th Fighter Wing
By Dan Smith | Posted: Fri 10:09 AM, Jul 05, 2019

SWANTON, Ohio (WTVG) - You see them at air shows, sporting events or even just over your house: Fighter jets screaming through the skies at nearly the speed of sound.

Recently, I had the privilege to fly with the Ohio Air National Guard's 180th Fighter Wing, based in Swanton. It was an opportunity I couldn't pass up... even if I passed out.

As you can imagine, a lot of rigorous training is required, especially all in one day. It takes many people to keep those planes aloft and pilots safe.

"Your crew chiefs, your egress, the aircrew flight equipment, your engine shop people, munitions... there's a ton of different people used every day to make sure these planes get off the ground," says Staff Sgt. Alex Parton.

A training cockpit clears up a lot of confusion, including how to safely eject or control the oxygen, and a parachute rig rounds out the emergency procedures.

At the aircrew flight equipment shop, Parton says they "pack parachutes, survival kits -- anything that would help the pilot in flight, such as helmets, harnesses, G-suits..."

That last one, the G-suit, is of particular importance when performing tight maneuvers, especially in combat.

When one simply stands up, that's about 1 G of force acting upon them (1 G = the average force on an object due to Earth's gravity). The G-suit uses an internal air bladder system to help offset about 1 to 2 Gs of force in flight, by constricting the thighs and preventing blood from rushing down and out of the brain so as not to pass out. An F-16 can withstand up to 9 Gs of force -- as can only the bravest of pilots.

Thankfully, my pilot was well-versed in flying this particular aircraft.

Captain Phil "Skip" Messer started flying the F-16 in 2012, "and I'm just about to hit 1000 hours, probably this month. From the time I start pilot training until the time I'm mission-qualified for the F-16 is about 2.5 years."

[...]

"You were able to pull 6.5 Gs in the F-16," offers Capt. Messer. "We were going about 650 mph at one point. We got to fly some low-level navigation down at 1500 feet AGL [above ground level], and a sightseeing tour over Cedar Point, Put-In-Bay..."

Other highlights included a close pass of a severe storm, and an even-closer look at another member of the 180th, easily less than 100 feet off our right wing.

The most nerve-racking part, however, wasn't any of those moments... it was when he briefly gave me control of the Fighting Falcon, performing some banked turns and even a barrel roll over central Ohio.

After an hour of flying, we arrived back on base, none the worse for wear -- save for my stomach, which waited until I stood up to leave the cockpit to remind me what I'd just been through.

[...]

Source: https://www.13abc.com/content/news/Into ... 42221.html

Re: Incentive rides - What maneuvers?

Unread postPosted: 07 Jul 2019, 23:13
by LinkF16SimDude
jaws wrote:Here's an article and video about a local reporter that flew with the 180th Fighter Wing recently.

https://www.13abc.com/content/news/Into ... 42221.html


420-ish straight-line miles in 1.5 hours or so? Maybe 2? (call it 500 with sightseeing) Didn't know you could see Ohio that quickly. And I'm from there! :lol: So jealous. :thumb: