F-16 shot down by MIG 21
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Everything has already been discussed in this now locked thread viewtopic.php?f=37&t=55055&start=555 so not something that needs to be discussed any further for now.
The summary is that India claimed to have shot down an F-16 and Pakistan have denied it. India has not provided any evidence that can back up the claim with full certainty and thus it remains a claim not a definite shootdown.
You might know more in the next 30 years or you might not.
The summary is that India claimed to have shot down an F-16 and Pakistan have denied it. India has not provided any evidence that can back up the claim with full certainty and thus it remains a claim not a definite shootdown.
You might know more in the next 30 years or you might not.
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smithmaga wrote:
F-16 is American made war machine so USA must send investigators into Pakistan and count the F-16s with Pakistan. It should be 85.What's the big deal.
Well if you actually look in the thread you will see that Lara Seligman had run a story sourced from the Pentagon claiming that was done and none were missing. However the next day various Indian media outlets claimed other parts of the Pentagon would not confirm that was the case.
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Boman wrote:Not sure I understand the purpose of this thread - or are you debating with yourself?
Ha - I was replying to smithmaga who started the thread and has deleted his posts.
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Close to 3 and a half months and no evidence of F16 wreckage so far... Here are some points to consider.
- The pilot who allegedly shot down the F16 has now been back in India for over 2 months. Still, IAF keeps citing radar traces and not the pilot who is the 'first person' in this entire event. If you have the person who shot it, wouldn't it be easy to just quote him to say "Yes, I shot down the plane and PAF damn well knows it".
- 2 other planes went down that day.
1- An Indian Mig 21 (the one that allegedly shot down the F16) that PAF shot down. Video of wreckage and pilot was out within minutes and it was outed (leaked) by civilian sources.
2- An Mi17 of IAF went down which is now all but confirmed to have been shot down by IAF itself. Video was leaked again within minutes to media by civilians.
- 2 other claims were made, one by each country.
- IAF claimed to have shot down an F16, but no video ever leaked or any other evidence ever presented itself.
- Pakistan claimed to have shot down another plane (allegedly an Su30) but no video ever leaked or any other evidence ever presented itself to this day.
^^ Both these claims are currently just claims with not a shred of 'reliable' evidence presented by either side. You'd expect a video to leak out or any part of the wreckage to show up, or some inventory to reveal a missing plane, especially in Pakistan's case where US officially runs an inventory check twice a year if you go by pretty reliable reports.
IAF crashes in 2019:
Feb 19: Two Hawk planes of IAF Surya Kiran team collide mid air. Sadly a pilot died.
Feb 27: IAF Mig 21 shot down by PAF.
Feb 27: IAF Mi17 shot down by IAF after mistaking it for a PAF aircraft.
Mar 8: IAF Mig 21 crashes near Nal in Rajhistan
Mar 31: IAF Mig 27 crashes near Jodhpur
June 3: IAF An 32 goes missing with 13 on board.
PAF crashes in 2019:
No known full hull losses. Yes PAF is a much smaller air force but not as much as the crash frequency disparity would lead you to believe. You'd ask how are crashes related to the Mig 21 case. Well, read below.
- The last IAF crash mentioned above is a mystery. An Antonov An 32 transport plane of IAF flying from one to another point within India went missing and is yet to be found a full week into the search. They have now put up a reward of about 5 lakh rupees ($7200) for anyone on foot to find the plane. However, IAF and many Indians want everyone to believe the jpeg images of alleged radar traces as their evidence of F16 downing that allegedly went down in Pakistan.
- PAF has been coy. They of course have the footage of the Mig 21from the jet/s that gave chase and shot it down but are withholding the video evidence despite knowing the propaganda value of it. IAF made the mistake of putting out some illustration images in a presentation and wants everyone to believe it was an F16 kill.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion so yes, Indians can continue to believe an F16 was shot and should not get frustrated when nobody else believes the theory without credible evidence.
- The pilot who allegedly shot down the F16 has now been back in India for over 2 months. Still, IAF keeps citing radar traces and not the pilot who is the 'first person' in this entire event. If you have the person who shot it, wouldn't it be easy to just quote him to say "Yes, I shot down the plane and PAF damn well knows it".
- 2 other planes went down that day.
1- An Indian Mig 21 (the one that allegedly shot down the F16) that PAF shot down. Video of wreckage and pilot was out within minutes and it was outed (leaked) by civilian sources.
2- An Mi17 of IAF went down which is now all but confirmed to have been shot down by IAF itself. Video was leaked again within minutes to media by civilians.
- 2 other claims were made, one by each country.
- IAF claimed to have shot down an F16, but no video ever leaked or any other evidence ever presented itself.
- Pakistan claimed to have shot down another plane (allegedly an Su30) but no video ever leaked or any other evidence ever presented itself to this day.
^^ Both these claims are currently just claims with not a shred of 'reliable' evidence presented by either side. You'd expect a video to leak out or any part of the wreckage to show up, or some inventory to reveal a missing plane, especially in Pakistan's case where US officially runs an inventory check twice a year if you go by pretty reliable reports.
IAF crashes in 2019:
Feb 19: Two Hawk planes of IAF Surya Kiran team collide mid air. Sadly a pilot died.
Feb 27: IAF Mig 21 shot down by PAF.
Feb 27: IAF Mi17 shot down by IAF after mistaking it for a PAF aircraft.
Mar 8: IAF Mig 21 crashes near Nal in Rajhistan
Mar 31: IAF Mig 27 crashes near Jodhpur
June 3: IAF An 32 goes missing with 13 on board.
PAF crashes in 2019:
No known full hull losses. Yes PAF is a much smaller air force but not as much as the crash frequency disparity would lead you to believe. You'd ask how are crashes related to the Mig 21 case. Well, read below.
- The last IAF crash mentioned above is a mystery. An Antonov An 32 transport plane of IAF flying from one to another point within India went missing and is yet to be found a full week into the search. They have now put up a reward of about 5 lakh rupees ($7200) for anyone on foot to find the plane. However, IAF and many Indians want everyone to believe the jpeg images of alleged radar traces as their evidence of F16 downing that allegedly went down in Pakistan.
- PAF has been coy. They of course have the footage of the Mig 21from the jet/s that gave chase and shot it down but are withholding the video evidence despite knowing the propaganda value of it. IAF made the mistake of putting out some illustration images in a presentation and wants everyone to believe it was an F16 kill.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion so yes, Indians can continue to believe an F16 was shot and should not get frustrated when nobody else believes the theory without credible evidence.
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