India to build F-16 Block 70

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Unread post04 Jul 2017, 10:18

Part of the issue is sky high expectations on the part of certain Indians. They want superior fighters for peanuts, built on the backs of low cost workers. The reality is that technology is expensive and highly protected by manufacturers. Producing 100+ units but expecting more than any others who have produced the remaining 4600… Low cost assembly will not result in a high-tech aircraft. High tech owners will not part their technology especially at low cost. Same complaints India had after decades of Sukhoi assembly will surface after MMRCA assembly i.e. little tech transfer etc.

If self development of fighters were that easy, the Tejas or the light combat aircraft would have been in service already with a local engine (again same issue with the Arjun tank). There seems to be some denial on the hard lessons of the LCA development.

Decisions based on emotions and/or financial naivety lead to the small Rafale order coupled with yet another decade of delays in closing what the IAF thinks is a large capability gap (7 man cricket). Hard reality would have lead to a logical result long ago. What are these hard realities?

Where has the Gripen been foreign assembled? Sure Saab can probably do the job in India (with cost overruns, delays etc) but if one takes a risk management approach, another manufacturer has done it in Korea, Turkey, Netherlands, Belgium already. An India manufacturing plant is already a minefield for most companies in the world to set up without having to add the challenge of inexperience but this is India.

The reality is all fighter candidates that India is choosing are obsolete, like the dot matrix printer. But like the dot matrix printer, it still has a place in this world and can serve a specific purpose subject to a limited useful life. The fighter candidates are not lemons today but they do have a useful life that is expiring due to advancing technology. There is a limit to how much technology can be continually integrated into legacy fighters. It is interesting to see how long more India can drag this out.
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Unread post07 Jul 2017, 03:52

thadutchman wrote:
boilermaker wrote:What lockheed needs to develop with Israel and India is a sort of semi robot f-16 for the poor excuse of goat humper pilots in the mid east.

They can call themselves fighter pilots while computers and our operators on the ground do most of the babysitting/flying the systems for them they do not know how to use or maintain. Then you give them their chocolate wings and seals and they can call themselves Obama-pilots.


My man, That was lowkey racist of you! I agree that it's a slippery decision to tech transfer to India, they are not the best at keeping tech close to their chest at all. On top of that I saw how "well" they performed at RF. It was show pony all over the place.


LOL! Which race are we talking about over there? I think that was prejudiced against anyone who would fornicrape goats. Besides, India is not part of the middle east and not too many people would imply Israel's fighter pilots suck. Yeah, the RF thing is pretty well known. So many of "those countries" just have armed, supersonic flying clubs for the royalty. The people training their pilots and fixing their aircraft are mostly scumbag, pig eating infidel westerners. Aloha snack-bar!!!!!! :devil:
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Unread post10 Jul 2017, 13:57

discofishing wrote:
thadutchman wrote:
boilermaker wrote:What lockheed needs to develop with Israel and India is a sort of semi robot f-16 for the poor excuse of goat humper pilots in the mid east.

They can call themselves fighter pilots while computers and our operators on the ground do most of the babysitting/flying the systems for them they do not know how to use or maintain. Then you give them their chocolate wings and seals and they can call themselves Obama-pilots.


My man, That was lowkey racist of you! I agree that it's a slippery decision to tech transfer to India, they are not the best at keeping tech close to their chest at all. On top of that I saw how "well" they performed at RF. It was show pony all over the place.


LOL! Which race are we talking about over there? I think that was prejudiced against anyone who would fornicrape goats. Besides, India is not part of the middle east and not too many people would imply Israel's fighter pilots suck. Yeah, the RF thing is pretty well known. So many of "those countries" just have armed, supersonic flying clubs for the royalty. The people training their pilots and fixing their aircraft are mostly scumbag, pig eating infidel westerners. Aloha snack-bar!!!!!! :devil:

And Pakistanis....
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Unread post19 Jul 2017, 22:58

I'd rather support the engineers who want to stay stateside... We're doing at a lot of recruiting at my company and now we're going to target F-16 professionals because of this vulnerability they might be feeling with all the press.
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Unread post22 Jul 2017, 15:56

thadutchman wrote:My man, That was lowkey racist of you! I agree that it's a slippery decision to tech transfer to India, they are not the best at keeping tech close to their chest at all. On top of that I saw how "well" they performed at RF. It was show pony all over the place.


Yeap. This is what Russians need to deal. Indians would change type of oil without asking anyone. Then they are forced to ground whole Su-30 fleet and then they bitch how plane isn't reliable even though other users didn't have that type of malfunction at all (do I need to say they didn't change oil type without asking engine manufacturer).

Or they would leave Su-30 on open for days on hot Indian sun, which would damage french avionics in cockpit.

No wonder why Dasso didn't want to gave them warranty on "made in India" Rafales.
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