Taiwan to upgrade 145 F16 A/B

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Unread post10 Feb 2012, 15:02

madrat wrote:Has Taiwan planned upgrades to their F-CK-1 to coincide with the F-16A upgrades? They bought way more MICA missiles than they'll ever fire from the 2K's. Maybe they should think about at least integrating them into the F-CK-1 to supplement their artificially restricted to near knife-fighting F-16's. Who could envy their position of facing R-77's? I'm sure the AIM-9X only got approved to head off a purchase from Israel.


The reason that they didn't do that was the same as the reason they didn't equipped the original block 20 Vipers with Sky Sword II instead of AIM-7s. Without technical support from the manufacture it's next to impossible to devise a working interface, and after the La Fayette - class frigate debacle coupled with the recent technical difficulties with current Mirage 2000-5s, there's pretty much no chance of ever getting that.

And there're approximately 120 120C5s and some 218 C7s in stock, so I would say the real problem with Taiwanese BVR engagement would lies in how they utilize their E-2Ts (pretty much just UHF transmitters these days...)
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Unread post11 Feb 2012, 16:12

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I would would say the real problem with Taiwanese BVR engagement would lies in how they utilize their E-2Ts (pretty pretty much just UHF transmitters these days...)

OUCH! That's a pretty harsh criticism of the E-2 old Hawkeye. Even if it isn't an export version of the newer E-2D which still uses some UHF technology by the way see <a href="http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/cutaway-technical-description-e-2d-may-not-look-pretty-but-packs-big-new-bunch-344539/">flightglobal.com/</a>
But your points on technical support from the aircraft manufacturers is well taken. And unfortunately unless the current administration changes its mind, it looks like Taiwan will be between a rock and a hard place for a while. See <a href="http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-15982-postdays-0-postorder-asc.html">U.S. Denies Taiwans Request thread.</a>
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Unread post03 May 2012, 00:24

White House To Consider F-16 Sale to Taiwan:

http://www.defensenews.com/article/2012 ... ale-Taiwan
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Unread post03 May 2012, 02:16

discofishing wrote:White House To Consider F-16 Sale to Taiwan:

http://www.defensenews.com/article/2012 ... ale-Taiwan


Taiwanese view on the F-16 issue from a few months ago (they seem to have a little trouble telling the difference between the F-16 and the F-CK-1A).



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Unread post04 Feb 2015, 16:12

Taiwan's F-16s receiving Northrop Grumman fire control radar - 2015/02/03

Northrop Grumman has received its first production order for its new APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radar system.

See:
- http://www.airforce-technology.com/news ... 6s-4502540
- http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Securi ... 422947822/
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Unread post01 Apr 2016, 11:42

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2016/03/25/taiwan-f-16-upgrade-program-moving-forward/82254960/

Taiwan F-16 Upgrade Program Moving Forward

2016/03/25

TAIPEI – Taiwan’s F-16 fighter aircraft mid-life upgrade program has secured another piece to its modernization effort with the upgrade of the ALR-56M Line Replaceable Unit 5 Analysis Processor to the new configuration under requirements approved by the Taiwan air force.
The $8 million contact was awarded to BAE Systems Information and Electronic Systems Integration Inc., under the U.S. government’s Foreign Military Sales program under the administration of the U.S. Defense Security Cooperation Agency.
Work will performed at Greenlawn, New York, and the U.S. Air Force Life Cycle Management Center, Robins Air Force Base, Georgia, is the contracting activity.
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Unread post20 Oct 2018, 11:57

Friday, 19 October 2018:
F-16V. Formerly F-16A.
6626.
ROCAF, based at Chia Yi AB.

About 4 PM, 6626 wearing Lockheed-Martin paint scheme, landed, at Chia Yi AB.

One of first batch of four F-16A/B upgraded to F-16V, and first of these four to be accepted by ROCAF + returned to home base.
The other three scheduled to RTB by end of 2018, and active duty from spring 2019.

6626 completed hardware, software, and structure upgrades in June 2018.
After ground tests, flight tests began in late August 2018.

All 139 F-16A/B scheduled to upgrade at 20-24 planes per year, and to complete by 2022.

ROCAF paint scheme will be repainted at Chia Yi AB and Hua Lien AB.

http://news.ltn.com.tw/news/politics/br ... ws/2586462
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Unread post20 Oct 2018, 14:23

That's good news! Taiwan very badly needs this. Hopefully the Trump administration will be open to selling some NEW F-16Vs to Taiwan (even though China would pitch a fit). Trump already opened up a trade war with China (didn't think he would actually follow through on that campaign promise) so we'll see.....
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Unread post22 Oct 2018, 03:49

If one is going to pi*s off the Chinese. might as well do it the right way which is to sell the F-35, all 300 of them with full training, maintenance and upgrade program all in. Then no issue for the next 30-40 years, rather than having the same issue crop up every 5-10 years. $100 billion contract, that's worth it. If the Taiwanese can't recognise the price of freedom, then too bad.
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Unread post07 Mar 2019, 14:09

Taiwan to buy up to 66 F-16V fighter jets from US

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Intern ... ts-from-US
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Unread post07 Mar 2019, 22:51

So big chinise Dragon still fear good old 16. Good to know. It's telling. Says a little about chinise airforce capabilities. If little 16 is able to disrupt the balance of power.. And I cant remember if Taiwan made any complains to Russia over Su-35 sale to China
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Unread post08 Mar 2019, 01:16

Patriot wrote:So big chinise Dragon still fear good old 16. Good to know. It's telling. Says a little about chinise airforce capabilities. If little 16 is able to disrupt the balance of power.. And I cant remember if Taiwan made any complains to Russia over Su-35 sale to China


CAATSA sanctions - target hit. No complaint required.
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Unread post08 Mar 2019, 16:51

Wow. This is quite the upgrade!

I wasn't aware Taiwan fielded such a capable fleet. No small number of F-16's, advanced AMRAAM's, Mirage 2000's and this F-CK-1 thing. Say, how do you pronounce that? :devil:

I've done a little reading on it. Seems to be along the lines of the PAK "Thunder". It appears to have several advantages though, such as a higher thrust to weight ratio. Has gone through several upgrades too.

I bet it's under-estimated (vastly) by the Chinese. Not the F-16 though. Sounds like there's a healthy amount of respect among the Chinese, and rightfully so..
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Unread post08 Mar 2019, 20:11

The old F-16s have only just started the upgrades. The few mirage 2000s are facing serviceability issues with high maintenance cost. The IDF-CKs are under-powered, uses an old radar that underperforms even after an upgrade and dependent on older ROC missiles.

It doesn't help when PLAAF encirclement flights are so regular that ROC has difficulty scrambling to catch up on the ops tempo that stresses the fleet further.

ROCAF badly needs to recapitalise which has been stymied by local politics, an aggressive Chinese diplomatic counter, and a US reluctance to approve new fighter sales.
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Unread post11 Mar 2019, 06:26

Lightweight fighters with a decent radar, active AAM, DRFM and flown by well-trained pilots executing sound tactics can pose quite a threat to any high end 4+ gen fighters. Just see what happened between India and Pakistan. RoCAF pilots are apparently pretty well-trained and versed in Western BVR tactics. Not too many air forces in the world operate 330 BVRAAM equipped fighters so i wouldn't say that RoCAF cannot put up a good fight. It doesn't have to hold the line for long. The US military maintain some 200 fighters in Japan constantly (excluding TSP F-22/F-35 and additional CSG on WESTPAC deployment) and they are at an extremely high readiness due to their forward deployed state.
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