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by weescotty » 20 Dec 2017, 23:35

Modelling (for FS9) a Block 52 Egyptian Viper.

Would this be able to carry Sparrows?
If so would it use an adaptor, or a pylon similar to the ADF version?

Either way I need a good reference pic of the method. As perfectly side on as possible.

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by magnum4469 » 21 Dec 2017, 01:28

They could carry it but it would not be able to be guided to the target unless a CW Illuminator was installed.


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by F-16ADF » 21 Dec 2017, 03:37

Here is a pic of an F-16ADF w/AIM-7 from August 1990. I hope this helps.
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by weescotty » 21 Dec 2017, 04:56

Thanks guys.
It's an interesting one.
Ah, just re-read
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article4.html

It was the eralier blocks that had AIM-7 capability.
So guessing its Sidewinders all the way on the 52's?


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by basher54321 » 21 Dec 2017, 10:26

They were part of Peace Vector VII http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/eg ... 2-aircraft

Industry information would suggest they still use the AIM-7P and never have procured any AIM-120 - can only find photos of Block 40s with AIM-7, although the Block 32s they had around 1985 were supposed to be the first AIM-7 fully capable F-16s.


http://www.f-16.net/g3/f-16-photos/album07/album34/9735

http://www.f-16.net/g3/f-16-photos/album07/album34/9811


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by weescotty » 21 Dec 2017, 21:09

I re-read the page here on the Egyptian Air Force and yes it would seem that maybe only the earlier blocks are AIM-7 capable.
Apologies for sending you all on a wild goose chase.

So I guess the Egytian block 52's are totally Sidewinder, or do they also use something else?

Also stuck on a targetting pod.
They have HARM's so the HTP has to be one, what about the Sniper XR?

There are very few pics of them actually in Egypt, plenty of them in the US though.


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by basher54321 » 22 Dec 2017, 01:17

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No photos but find it unlikely their new Block 52s with AIFF would not at least be AIM-7 capable.
Pass on the HTS pod either - although don't think that is actually required to use HARMs anyway.


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by 35_aoa » 22 Dec 2017, 03:48

basher54321 wrote:Sniper Pod
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No photos but find it unlikely their new Block 52s with AIFF would not at least be AIM-7 capable.
Pass on the HTS pod either - although don't think that is actually required to use HARMs anyway.


I'm not sure that we do any FMS fighter sales anymore that aren't AIM-120 equipped/capable. Could be wrong, but I don't know of any examples to the contrary. Heck, even Turkish F-4's are AMRAAM capable.


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by basher54321 » 22 Dec 2017, 09:43

Thinking of Iraq here: http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/iraq-f-16-aircraft

They might be internally capable but did they ever get any post any change of mind? http://www.f-16.net/f-16-news-article1151.html

They are usually at least requested on FMS sales - some video evidence is required.

https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/eg ... eet-05860/
Note that Egypt’s new F-16C/Ds may be Block 52 aircraft, but they differ in one important respect from their counterparts in places like Singapore and Israel. Instead of relying on the modern, active-homing AIM-120 AMRAAM as their medium range air to air missile, Egypt’s F-16s depend on the older AIM-7P Sparrow.


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by weescotty » 22 Dec 2017, 12:04

Many thanks all.

So it's....
Sparrows
Is there an adaptor for the standard pylon 3 or 7, or would they use the same pylon as the earlier blocks?
Need to find a good side on pic of either, even been trawling for sprue pics of the Old Revell ADF which apparently has the correct pylon.

Sniper - no probs already have a Sniper XR already modelled.

Re: HTP according to the Egyptian Air Force page on this site, they have them, or is it wrong?


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by madrat » 22 Dec 2017, 15:07

The original radar didn't support CW illumination out of the box, but did layer models? That seems to be the $1 million question. Funny how F-20A had no issue with supporting it. I bet the competition between F-20A and F-16C lot a fire to support it. Contractors are stubborn that way. And it probably comes down to if it made the tapes after that.


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by basher54321 » 22 Dec 2017, 17:14

madrat wrote:The original radar didn't support CW illumination out of the box, but did layer models? That seems to be the $1 million question. Funny how F-20A had no issue with supporting it. I bet the competition between F-20A and F-16C lot a fire to support it. Contractors are stubborn that way. And it probably comes down to if it made the tapes after that.


The original APG-66 didn't support it because there was no requirement for it as I understand from the customer (F-15 procurement had some influence also it appears).

When there was a requirement they added the CW module to the APG-66(V) 1 for the F-16A ADF interceptor in the late 1980s (F-20 was a contender IIRC), and the Taiwan F-16As also had the APG-66(V)3 which also supported Sparrows as another example.

Adding that to the APG-68 which was derived from the 66 was clearly no issue if Egypts Block 32/40s have been able to use AIM-7 all these years.

The USAF were supposed to have AMRAAM by 1985 in the F-16C Block 25D (APG-68V) and apparently were happy to wait for that despite the delay.


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by basher54321 » 22 Dec 2017, 17:16

weescotty wrote:Re: HTP according to the Egyptian Air Force page on this site, they have them, or is it wrong?


This page?
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article4.html

Not seeing HTP, HTS or ASQ-213 pod mentioned.


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by weescotty » 22 Dec 2017, 22:31

basher54321 wrote:
weescotty wrote:Re: HTP according to the Egyptian Air Force page on this site, they have them, or is it wrong?


This page?
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article4.html

Not seeing HTP, HTS or ASQ-213 pod mentioned.


My bad (no having much luck), I saw it on Wiki, so will disregard. Apart from that your page clearly says the HARMs are for the block 40's.

So just leaves the Sparrow, pylon adapter (as per the F.2) or the ADF pylon?

Progress so far....Multi LOD AI use.

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by mtrman » 25 Dec 2017, 09:19

@35_aoa, just a small correction;

Turkish F-4s (2020 Terminator) were mainly updated with Air-to-Ground capability and don't carry AIM-120. By that times, German and Greek F-4s were added AIM-120. By the way, you are right that there were F-4s around with AIM-120 capability.


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