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basher54321 wrote:Also shows the AIM-7s with the 370 drop tanks installed when the pylons were located further outboard:
basher54321 wrote:Sounds like they tested it to M1.6 - if it was just 2 x AIM-7 and 2 x AIM-9 it could probably go faster. Not really a surprise, would think the F-4 for example and some other AIM-7 carriers could hit their top end with just AIM-7s (without knowing limitations on carriage). Not that top end is always realistic or a practical speed to ever be at but it could be done.
vilters wrote:Hi guys, multiple things going on here.
a) the wing was changed to get more stations. This put the inner wet stations further inside, reducing clearance.
b) the landing gear doors are different.
On the prototypes the MLG has 2 small doors each side : One goes outwards, and the downwards opening door is hinged on the centerline. => The AIM-7 were mounted on the upper/outwards opening doors.
Production models went to a single outwards opening door/side.
The combat (non-training) air-to-air employment envelope was predicated on a no-tanks configuration.
Meteor wrote:The F-4C/D carrying 4 x AIM-7 was certified out to aircraft limits, which was Mach 2.5. The employment envelope was 220 KIAS to M2.5.
Unlike current fighters (F-15/16/18/22), earlier fighters were expected to jettison their external fuel tanks before entering combat. They tanks were cheap, flimsy, low G, and expendable. I remember whole fields full of crates of expendable F-4 fuel tanks at Incirlik and Kunsan. Thus it was not expected that Century series fighters would enter combat while still carrying their external tanks. The combat (non-training) air-to-air employment envelope was predicated on a no-tanks configuration.
basher54321 wrote:Many thanks Meteor - I had read the F-4 needed to at least ditch the centreline tank to get clearance for firing the AIM-7 and the jettison speed was relatively low on the original tanks.
Was this wishful thinking on someones part then because I remember a good few F-15 pilots ditching their tanks pre merge in DS (via their own statements) - was thinking that was SOP but I suppose left to pilot intuition regardless of the extra cost they still significantly degrade a pilots survive-ability
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