Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 22 Oct 2016, 23:37
by arian
Russia unveiled today its stealth shield for turning warships invisible and undetectable. Reports indicate that this is Russia's famed "plasma stealth" shield.

How will American weapons possibly detect and target a ship cloaked in this new stealth shield? Do we have a serious pre-Dreadnought gap on our hands? Do we need to invest more money in tire-burning technology?

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Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 23 Oct 2016, 00:10
by count_to_10
"Plasma stealth" was supposed to be basically a plasma screen placed in front of a fighter's radar, with the idea that the screen absorbs radio waves like a black body when energized, but transmits otherwise. Fantasy had the entire fighter skin covered in plasma screens. To my knowledge, it doesn't work.
The smoke screen might be something else I've heard about, something like micro-chafe.
(Also, smoke screens were still tactically useful into WWII. Probably still useful against IR seekers like what is in the NSM/JSM, assuming that they obscure the appropriate IR bands.)

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 23 Oct 2016, 00:21
by popcorn
That thing is definitely a threat... to the environment. :D

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Unread postPosted: 23 Oct 2016, 00:42
by arian
count_to_10 wrote:"Plasma stealth" was supposed to be basically a plasma screen placed in front of a fighter's radar, with the idea that the screen absorbs radio waves like a black body when energized, but transmits otherwise. Fantasy had the entire fighter skin covered in plasma screens. To my knowledge, it doesn't work.
The smoke screen might be something else I've heard about, something like micro-chafe.
(Also, smoke screens were still tactically useful into WWII. Probably still useful against IR seekers like what is in the NSM/JSM, assuming that they obscure the appropriate IR bands.)


I was joking. This is just Kuznetsov being Kuznetsov. A POS ship.

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 23 Oct 2016, 01:18
by sferrin
arian wrote:Do we need to invest more money in tire-burning technology?


Don't knock it. Probably what it uses for fuel. :lmao: (On second thought, I'll bet there are people out there stupid enough to believe it's "green" because you're "recycling" tires.)

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 23 Oct 2016, 06:17
by KamenRiderBlade
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10 ... -problems/

<sarcasm>You know your Government has faith in your vessel when they have to send a Tugboat with it</sarcasm>

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 23 Oct 2016, 08:04
by mrigdon
KamenRiderBlade wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/21/russian-carrier-plagued-by-technical-problems/

<sarcasm>You know your Government has faith in your vessel when they have to send a Tugboat with it</sarcasm>



Why sarcasm? In Russia, is called 'tug boat' because is like 'child boat' which tug you 'Go faster! Go faster!'

Is really Encourage Boat!

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 23 Oct 2016, 11:55
by count_to_10
arian wrote:
count_to_10 wrote:"Plasma stealth" was supposed to be basically a plasma screen placed in front of a fighter's radar, with the idea that the screen absorbs radio waves like a black body when energized, but transmits otherwise. Fantasy had the entire fighter skin covered in plasma screens. To my knowledge, it doesn't work.
The smoke screen might be something else I've heard about, something like micro-chafe.
(Also, smoke screens were still tactically useful into WWII. Probably still useful against IR seekers like what is in the NSM/JSM, assuming that they obscure the appropriate IR bands.)


I was joking. This is just Kuznetsov being Kuznetsov. A POS ship.

Well, there was no explaining text, and I haven't been keeping up with news about said ship.
Um, is it's engine on fire?

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 23 Oct 2016, 12:00
by popcorn
I hope they got the toilets to work for her crew's sake.

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Unread postPosted: 23 Oct 2016, 12:06
by count_to_10
popcorn wrote:I hope they got the toilets to work for her crew's sake.

Castor oil?

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Unread postPosted: 23 Oct 2016, 16:20
by sdkf251
Looks like the old pictures of battleships using coal as fuel.

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Unread postPosted: 24 Oct 2016, 02:48
by sersi
They're a bit late aren't they.

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The US Navy has been using carbon fiber infused obscurants "smoke" as a radar screen against anti-ship missiles for some time now. It's more of a counter-measure than a attempt at "stealth". The Russian are doubtlessly trying to do the same.

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 24 Oct 2016, 03:38
by arian
sersi wrote:They're a bit late aren't they.

The US Navy has been using carbon fiber infused obscurants "smoke" as a radar screen against anti-ship missiles for some time now. It's more of a counter-measure than a attempt at "stealth". The Russian are doubtlessly trying to do the same.


You may have a point there. They may be using the particulate matter produced by their coal burning engines to block radar. I'd imagine those pre-Dreadnought 1905 battleships were really hard to pick up on radar too.

Of course, the Kuzentsov's crew might only have a life-expectancy of 5 years under these conditions.

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 24 Oct 2016, 03:54
by 35_aoa
A couple years ago while I was in the med, we cruised for a few days within 100 miles of her. Several of our jets intercepted the Su-33's that she put airborne every now and then. Will be interested to see how this plays out, back then it was very much not an operational carrier by any western standards. Couple jets flew every 5th day or so, daytime only, with no ordnance (likely due to their lack of catapults). Lots of bluster coming out of the Soviet Union (err "Russian Federation"), not a whole lot of truth to back up their claims. Failing nation, economic downward spiral, starving "middle class", and nothing to show for it other than 20 year old nukes which will (hopefully) never be used, and a bunch of conventional weapons and associated platforms that were outclassed by the West in 1995. Good luck Vladimir……...

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 24 Oct 2016, 04:04
by arian
35_aoa wrote:A couple years ago while I was in the med, we cruised for a few days within 100 miles of her. Several of our jets intercepted the Su-33's that she put airborne every now and then. Will be interested to see how this plays out, back then it was very much not an operational carrier by any western standards. Couple jets flew every 5th day or so, daytime only, with no ordnance (likely due to their lack of catapults). Lots of bluster coming out of the Soviet Union (err "Russian Federation"), not a whole lot of truth to back up their claims. Failing nation, economic downward spiral, starving "middle class", and nothing to show for it other than 20 year old nukes which will (hopefully) never be used, and a bunch of conventional weapons and associated platforms that were outclassed by the West in 1995. Good luck Vladimir……...


It's all propaganda of course. Chest thumping to show that they too can field a carrier strike force, useless as it may be. Her MiG-29s will carry out a few strikes with the usual dumb-bombs to coincide with the Iranian offensive on Aleppo, and if the Iranians win in Aleppo, Putin will declare that he won the war in Syria with his little toy carrier. And all of Youtube will eat it up.

That is, if she doesn't sink first, or one of her planes doesn't crash on the deck and send her aflame again.

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 24 Oct 2016, 06:11
by arian
Looks like its Su-33s are only carrying 4 AAMs each (2 R-27s and 2 R-37s). Probably can't take off with a heavier load than that.

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/789428907812524032

I don't think they've ever been seen taking off with more than 4 AAMs.

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 24 Oct 2016, 06:21
by 35_aoa
arian wrote:Looks like its Su-33s are only carrying 4 AAMs each (2 R-27s and 2 R-37s). Probably can't take off with a heavier load than that.

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/789428907812524032

I don't think they've ever been seen taking off with more than 4 AAMs.


That is infinitely more than they were carrying when we intercepted and escorted them a couple years ago. Good on them I suppose.

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 24 Oct 2016, 08:09
by arian
I stand corrected: back in 2008 2 of them were paraded on top of the carrier with a full compliment of missiles. Although, none have been seen taking off with anything approaching this load.

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That being said, we can now see the first examples of Russia's 5-th generation radar blockers applied to the Su-33. F-22 is now in trouble. Won't be able to detect it on radar at all!

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Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 24 Oct 2016, 09:11
by popcorn
I swear that looks like the steel matting I used to fence in my dogs. :D

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Unread postPosted: 24 Oct 2016, 14:31
by hornetfinn
popcorn wrote:I swear that looks like the steel matting I used to fence in my dogs. :D


Now we know Su-33 is well protected from ingesting dogs... :wink:

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 24 Oct 2016, 15:12
by durahawk
hornetfinn wrote: Now we know Su-33 is well protected from ingesting dogs... :wink:


Hey now, it's not polite to call the Russian sailors dogs. They only urinate outside because all the latrines aboard the ship are broken.

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 25 Oct 2016, 14:42
by sdkf251
Hmmm.... is that a guy taking a peek outside a curtain? .. a curtain with a dog print?
In any case, nice pictures!

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 14 Nov 2016, 22:49
by arian
Looks like Russia's little propaganda stunt isn't going so well. Didn't take long for planes to start crashing:

https://theaviationist.com/2016/11/14/r ... anean-sea/

I suspect soon enough, if they really are going to be going into the fight in Syria, they'll probably transfer Kuznetsov's planes to Latakia rather than keep flying them from the carrier.

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 14 Nov 2016, 23:53
by KamenRiderBlade
At least the SAR Helicopter works.

=D

That didn't crash

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 16 Nov 2016, 01:04
by arian
Russian cruise missile strikes. Accurate to within the nearest parking lot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNgPIxqEzA8

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 16 Nov 2016, 01:34
by XanderCrews
arian wrote:Russian cruise missile strikes. Accurate to within the nearest parking lot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNgPIxqEzA8



Where is rkap to tell us of the amazing Russian hyper missiles?

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 16 Nov 2016, 02:12
by alex_f
arian wrote:Russian cruise missile strikes. Accurate to within the nearest parking lot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNgPIxqEzA8


well, the second hit at least a building. I seriously doubt that it was supposed to hit the small building instead of the big one, but hey, it's a building!

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 16 Nov 2016, 04:00
by arian
alex_f wrote:
arian wrote:Russian cruise missile strikes. Accurate to within the nearest parking lot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNgPIxqEzA8


well, the second hit at least a building. I seriously doubt that it was supposed to hit the small building instead of the big one, but hey, it's a building!


Well at east these hit something and didn't explode midair or crash along the way like so many did last time around.

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 16 Nov 2016, 23:04
by vilters
I see them as a cheap demolishing company destroying old and abandoned installations.

Nothing in sight, not a person, not a car, nothing, absolutely nothing.

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 16 Nov 2016, 23:40
by arian
vilters wrote:I see them as a cheap demolishing company destroying old and abandoned installations.

Nothing in sight, not a person, not a car, nothing, absolutely nothing.


That particular target apparently has been bombed several times (you can even see craters nearby the buildings in the video) and apparently there has been no activity on that site for months. So it does appear to be just an empty building. Russian intel isn't the best.

Re: Russia develops stealth defense for warships

Unread postPosted: 24 Nov 2016, 22:22
by zerion
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