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Lightndattic wrote:
I wonder if this crosses the "Dozer Line" regarding online posting of info and/or pics. It was obviously taken from a KC-135 crew member while deployed to Guam.


OOOOh man, don`t go there, please! Smile Smile Smile

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Rumor has it that the boom that took those photos got crushed.
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Yeah OSI already got ahold of the guy. How dumb can you be??? I dont feel a bit sorry for him.
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Damn, 1.2 billion is a ton of money to lose

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They now say the crash was due to water getting in the air data static flush ports:
http://www.airforce-magazine.com/DRArch ... Cause.aspx

What happened to the specially designed hangers just for the B-2's there? How could water get in the bottom ports? The air data system was designed to detect and handle that type of failure. You could plug all the ports or even 3 out of the 4 channels of data and it would still fly just fine. So somebody is fishing for a cause or covering something up!
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From the article:

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The B-2 made a sudden pitch-up and yaw that was not commanded by the pilot. The aircraft quickly stalled, became unrecoverable, and the crew of two ejected.


If memory serves the YB-35 and YB-49 suffered from the same uncommanded pitch into a stall problem. Surviving YB-35 pilots said that the plane would do an uncommanded back flip and that to recover they would let it go all the way around at catch the the stall on the other side of the flip.

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The B-2, like the earlier Northrop airplanes mentioned, has a very limited cg envelope. Purely speculating, it is possible the cg somehow was out of limits at takeoff. Too far aft and uncommanded pitchup is inevitable.

Is that the likely cause? No, but it might be possible.
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Salute!

I would not rule out a basic design problem WRT the FLCS.

We flew the prototype and production Vipers for about 7-8 years before we discovered the power supply design flaw in our FLCS computers.

We had AC power, DC power, EPU power and even little NiCads in each computer. But guess what? The computer guys were worried about "melting" the computers if they got too many volts for the DC-to-DC solid state convertors. At the time, the ones we were using could handle about 35 VDC.

So the computers themselves had a "life preserver" feature that disconnected them from ALL POWER, including those NiCads. GASP!!! When Randy O'Neill heard this from the GD briefer following Jay's fatal crash, he came outta his chair and almost strangled the guy right there.

The deal was also related to the EPU control valve. The one that ran off of bleed air. If it came on uncommanded, it was possible for the PMG DC generator to crank out up to 37 VDC. So when the FLCS computers saw that, they shut down!!! Damn!!

We all voted to hotwire the computers and if they melted, they melted. Sure enuf, Bill Lake has the uncommanded EPU deal a few months later and melts the computers. Very graceful degradation, but he had to finally bail after several "wahoo" rolls and such. Before that temporary fix, the Wing King down here at Eglin also had the uncommanded EPU but saw the green lite and reversed his throttle ( he had just pushed up for the climb). The EPU got back below 35 VDC and he landed O.K. Then the Wolfman had his wahoo and noted the EPU run lite on just before the jet went to 22 negative gees. So we finally found the root cause. And we also voted to let the 'puters melt.

So the fact the B-2 did a wahoo just at lift-off makes me want to look at the WOW switch design and any flight control laws that depend upon WOW.

gotta go,

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Viper is one redundant creature.

I have prevented numerous ground aborts by simply performing the FLCS BATT ground check before putting external power on the jet.

If any channel does not lite up, I call pointys to the rescue, and it’s normally a channel batt.

Bleed air mode check is critical for no flow; you don’t want that generator running when IDG/STDBY is in order.

Good post Gums

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Salute!

JR007 sent me this url:

http://www.alert5.com/2008/06/b-2-accid ... eased.html

WOW! Those guys waited and waited and waited. Guess they didn't want to be first crew to jettison one of those beasts.

I am surprised the pitch gyros and rate sensors didn't help them more, but looks like it actually stalled, then started a left rotation, wing down - and poof! There they go.
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The only air data loss I recall in the Viper was Dick Frank's pelican hit. Sucker tore off the radome and bent the cosmic sensor with all those holes in it. He flew for several minutes, apparently using the rate sensors and accelerometers. Was on instruments as canopy coated with blood and guts.

Plane finally went wahoo, prolly cause the FLCS computers themselves were shorting out, them being up there close to the impact point.

We're in the Command Post and Ron Fogleman (Vice Wing King at the time) and I hear Tom M. yelling at Dick, it's going, it's going" "get out! bailout! bailout!" Then, "OK, he's out good chute". Fogleman lowers his heads and shakes it.

We couldn't recover the jet for analysis, as it sank thru the goo at the bottom of the lake. I was on the accident board as the FLCS and elecrical system "expert witness".

later, and great video of the B-2 crash.

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Damn, wahoo indeed. There were vapor trails coming off the jet when it rotated. Yikes! It was sooooo close to settling back onto the runway after the first stall.

And they weren't waiting Gums, they were typing up the 300 word essay that's required after pulling the handles in a B-2. Smile Glad they did get out!

Great link, thanks for posting it.
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Stars & Stripes wrote:

Report faults computer in Guam B-2 crash
By Lisa Burgess, Stars and Stripes
Pacific edition, Saturday, June 07, 2008


ARLINGTON, Va. — The Feb. 23 crash of a B-2 bomber at Andersen Air Force Base, Guam, was caused by bad computer data sent to flight control computers from three tiny sensors on the bomber’s wings, according to the Air Force accident investigation report released Thursday.

The B-2 was on takeoff when the flight computer falsely told its pilots that it was moving along the runway at 140 knots, fast enough to become airborne, according to Mag. Gen. Floyd Carpenter. Carpenter, who is vice commander of the 8th Air Force at Barksdale Air Force Base, La., said the computer then told the aircraft it was going into a nosedive, when the pilots were actually in the process of lifting the craft off the ground.

The computer ordered the B-2’s nose to pitch up 30 degrees.

The pilots, who were on the last few days of a four-month Guam deployment from the 509th Bomb Wing from Whiteman Air Force Base, Mo., desperately tried to correct the movement.

"They tried their best to recover the aircraft," Carpenter said. "They didn’t make any mistakes."

But the bomber was moving too slow — only 130 knots — and the angle its nose was pitched was just too steep, Carpenter told reporters Thursday. The aircraft went into a fatal stall.

The B-2’s left wing hit the runway first, and the pilot and co-pilot ejected.

"By the grace of God, they were safe," Carpenter said.

The pilot sustained only local injuries, but the co-pilot’s spine was fractured. He was rushed to Tripler Army Medical Center in Hawaii for treatment and has since returned to Whiteman, with a full recovery expected, the report said.

The $1.4 billion plane was a total loss, according to the report.

Carpenter said the seven-week investigation by 14 Air Force officials and civilians revealed that the fault lay with the B-2’s sensors, a network of 24 tiny sniffing devices located throughout the skin of the aircraft that "weigh" air pressure across the body of the jet.

"This was not a failure by any pilot or technician," Carpenter said. "The aircraft [also] performed as it was designed. It truly was a procedure error."

The sensors have a calibration system — like scales that have to be reset to "0" before they weigh accurately — that the aircraft’s maintainers employ any time all 24 are not showing the same reading, Carpenter said.

But in Guam’s humid environment, three of these sensors had become moist and distorted the calibration data, telling the aircraft’s computers everything was well when it was not, the investigators said.

As a result, the B-2’s flight controls, as well as its airspeed and "angle of attack" data, were wrong, Carpenter said.

Moisture in the sensors is normal, and the bomber’s designers have planned for it by building "pitots," or heaters, that can dry out each device with a blast of 500-degree air, whether the B-2 is in the air or on the ground.

But until the 2008 accident, no one had ever known the sensors to get wet preflight, Carpenter said.

Although there was a hint of the possibility during a 2006 deployment to Guam, he said.

At that point, a few maintainers had noticed moisture in some sensors, he said. They began turning on the heaters as part of their own preflight checks.

"But it was applied sporadically," he said. "Some people know about it, and some didn’t."

The Air Force is not blaming the technicians or officers for failing to standardize the 2006 procedure because "it happened so infrequently, and even then, the data calibration typically fixed the problem," Carpenter said. "The jets continued to fly perfectly fine."

But as a result of the accident board’s findings, the Air Force has modified its orders for the B-2’s preflight procedure, Carpenter said: All sensor pitots must be turned to "on" before calibrations are performed.

Maintainers "are also doing a much more rigorous inspection of the entire [sensor] system," Carpenter said.

Source: http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?sect ... icle=55361

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Air Combat Command Special Reports wrote:

B-2 ACCIDENT REPORT RELEASED
Release Number: 020608

6/5/2008 - LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, Va. -- Distorted data introduced by a B-2 Spirit's air data system skewed information entering the bomber's flight control computers ultimately causing the crash of the aircraft on takeoff at Andersen Air Force Base, Guam, Feb. 23, according to an Air Combat Command accident investigation report released today.

Moisture in the aircraft's Port Transducer Units during air data calibration distorted the information in the bomber's air data system, causing the flight control computers to calculate an inaccurate airspeed and a negative angle of attack upon takeoff. According to the report, this caused an, "uncommanded 30 degree nose-high pitch-up on takeoff, causing the aircraft to stall and its subsequent crash."

Moisture in the PTUs, inaccurate airspeed, a negative AOA calculation and low altitude/low airspeed are substantially contributing factors in this mishap. Another substantially contributing factor was the ineffective communication of critical information regarding a suggested technique of turning on pitot heat in order to remove moisture from the PTUs prior to performing an air data calibration.

The pilot received minor injuries, and the co-pilot received a spinal compression fracture during ejection. He was treated at Tripler Army Medical Center, Hawaii, and released. The aircraft was assigned to the 509th Bomb Wing at Whiteman Air Force Base, Mo.

The cost of the lost aircraft is about $1.4 billion.

Source: http://www.acc.af.mil/media/archives/st ... =123101589

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Salute!

See other thread dealing with the actual Accident Report and not a buncha PR stuff that Asif references, but I do not.

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P.S. I feel that most folks do not want to wade thru 4 or 5 pages of stuff to get to the "meat", IMHO.

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