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PostPosted: Feb 26, 2008 - 12:39 AM Reply with quote Back to top
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Before I saw Link's post, all I could think of about the flight suit thing, is "Oh God! Now, I'll look like some kind of half-@$$ed NASCAR driver in my flight suit!"

"Spirit of Talladega"...bitchin! Cool

FYI, on the C-17, we too name our jets "Spirit of..." The B-2 fleet sticks pretty much with State names though. We name ours after all sorts of things...cities "Spirit of Altus"...ugh...hold on... Drool Sorry, I just felt some Chinese food backing up on me, "Spirit of North Charleston", people "Spirit of The Tuskeege Airmen", and "Spirit of Sgt. John L. Levitow", airplanes "Spirit of the P-51 Mustang" (Tuskeege Airmen's sister ship), and now, medals "Spirit of The Purple Heart". These, among others, are either planes I've flown in, or planes that I've seen. There are many others.

Back to B-2 names, I thought it was cool, being a Floridian, that the first B-2 I had the opportunity to see was "Spirit of Florida", at a Blue Angels Homecoming show in Pensacola, back in 98. Glad that one is still up and flying.

Even better, again, is the fact that this crew will live to fly another day.

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Stars & Stripes wrote:

B-2 pilot in Guam crash is transferred to Hawaii Army hospital
By Jennifer H. Svan, Stars and Stripes
Pacific edition, Wednesday, February 27, 2008

One of the pilots aboard the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber that crashed Saturday at Andersen Air Force Base, Guam, has been transferred to Tripler Army Medical Center in Hawaii, where he remains in stable condition, military officials said Monday.

The pilot is being treated for a spinal-compression injury, which is not life-threatening, said U.S. Pacific Air Forces spokesman Tech. Sgt. Thomas Czerwinski.

The other pilot involved in the crash was medically evaluated and released Saturday.

Both pilots are from the 509th Bomb Wing at Whiteman Air Force Base, Missouri.

The B-2 plunged to the ground shortly after takeoff Saturday at Andersen. Both pilots ejected before the bomber crashed on the runway.

Czerwinski said no official cause for the crash has been determined. A safety investigation board of officers has 30 days to release an initial report, he said.

The B-2 was leaving to return to Whiteman after a four-month deployment to Andersen. Three other B-2s that were part of the same deployment remain at Andersen.

“They’re not grounding the fleet,” he said. But any time there’s an accident involving Air Force aircraft, “there’s an automatic safety stand-down,” he said.

Source: http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?sect ... icle=52841

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I can't believe it crashed!! This is the most crash proof aircraft in history! it has a quad redundant computer system and we could take just about any 3 failures you could throw at it. I just cannot imagine any system failure that could cause it to go down.

The only conceivable causes:
1. Pilot error, like overrotating over G (unlikely since they had time to eject).
2. Following the previous aircraft too close - jetwash (unlikely since they should have a lot of experience in that).
3. Bad Fuel which cause 4 engine flameout. (unlikely since the first one already took off and probably had the same fuel source)
4. Hitting or injecting FOD from the runway. (two intakes far apart and on top, would be hard to take FOD down both)
5. Forgot to align the AMSS units. (Unlikely as there would be indications prior to takeoff).
6. Maintenance error - like forgot to remove tape off the air data ports (we should be able to handle that failure anyway besides there are 28 ports).
7. Structural failure. (not THAT old yet - but it has a low G airframe limit, but it was a clear day)

So my only logical conclusion is it really did not crash and I will wake up soon!!!!
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[tinfoil hat mode]I think I can clear the air crew, ground crew and manufacture.

I blame Bush, and the Navy.

I think it was it by a piece of space debris…….. a piece of the satellite that was shot down. [/tinfoil hat mode]

My comment is in jest. I'm just trying to make light of a terrible serious situation. (venting)

I think I've debated too much with conspiracy “theorists”, I'm starting to think like them.Shocked
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Were any UFO's spoted in the area around the time of the crash?

Russian Fishing Boats perhaps?

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Looks like it might have been an inflight fire.
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... wned%20B-2

With no bladders for the fuel tanks and a 4000 psi hyd system...I would say it was a fuel or hyd leak that caused the fire! Speculation only on my part.
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13th Air Force wrote:

First response team provide care for ejected pilots
by Airman 1st Class Erica Stewart
36th Operations Group Public Affairs

2/28/2008 - ANDERSEN AIR FORCE BASE, Guam -- The ambulance services unit of 36th Medical Group here quickly responded to an emergency call on Feb. 24 requesting emergency medical services immediately to Andersen's flight line.

Two pilots, deployed from Whiteman AFB, Mo., were forced to eject from a B-2 Spirit before impact during their last flight from the flight line.

"This is the kind of situation that we train for," said Lt. Col. Robin Schultze, 36th Medical Operations Squadron commander and chief nurse. "Based on how our emergency medical technicians responded when the B-2 stealth bomber crashed, I am confident that our training kept our EMTs (Emergency Medical Team) safe and minimized injury to the pilots and other emergency crews."

Not only do EMTs receive continuous on the job training, but they are also engaged in a variety of exercises and sent to the Center for Sustainment of Trauma and Readiness skills at the University of Maryland in Baltimore.

"We send our medics to C-STARS to hone skills," said Colonel Shultze. "This is a shock and trauma unit training that the medics have as part of continuous education."

Mass causality training also plays a role in making emergency procedures rote in real world situations.

"Annual, mass casualty exercises gives us the opportunity to practice for real-world situations, like the B-2 crash," Colonel Shultze said. "So that when an emergency call comes in the medics can be confident with their skills."

When the EMT on-duty received the call, she and the other three member crew hopped into an ambulance and headed to the flight line.

"When we got there, all we saw was smoldering flames and a pilot lying on the ground," said Staff Sgt. Katherine Caraballo, 36th Medical Wing Group, emergency medical technician. "My first thought was to take the hazards into consideration, get clearance to enter the scene to stabilize the immobile pilot."

EMTs are taught to recognize danger before entering the scene of an accident to better treat the victim.

"One of our main goals on any incident is to stay away from danger and to approach the scene with our well-being in mind," said Tech. Sgt. Melissa Lehan, 36th Medical Group, non-commissioned officer in charge of ambulance services. "If the medics are injured, then the patients don't get the care they need."

In this crisis situation, the danger was anticipated and the medic's training prevailed.

"Training is essential for things like this and we train continuously," Sergeant Lehan said. "A big incident like this is something that doesn't happen all the time, and could be something that you'll see once in your career, so being prepared to handle anything and everything is important."

Source: http://www.13af.pacaf.af.mil/news/story ... =123088053

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TC wrote:
Back to B-2 names, I thought it was cool, being a Floridian, that the first B-2 I had the opportunity to see was "Spirit of Florida",

For those that don't know, the B-2s were each named after states where major B-2 program subcontractors were located.

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Fire on takeoff - could have blown an engine or thrown a fan blade through a fuel cell - just a tinfoil hat guess.
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asiatrails wrote:
Fire on takeoff - could have blown an engine or thrown a fan blade through a fuel cell - just a tinfoil hat guess.


From the Defense Tech blog, this was referenced:
http://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-080204-083.pdf

Pg. 71:

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Modification Title and No: ENGINE FAN BLADES SAFETY MOD MN-8880 CLC: B-2 Class P-S
Models of Aircraft Affected: B-2 Center: ASC - Wright Patterson AFB, OH PE 0101127F Team POWER
Description/Justification
HQ USAF/SE has designated the stage 1 fan blade as a safety modification. Incorporates a stage 1 fan blade redesign. The stage 1 fan blades exhibit high levels of stress due to the inlet distortion.
Combine a Foreign Object Damage (FOD) event with the elevated inlet distortion stress and the combination could result in the loss of an airfoil and a catastrophic in-flight emergency. The potential
also exists for a Class A event as a result of an uncontained titanium fire initiated by the airfoil release. The current set of fan blades (24) is replaced with a new blade set incorporating airfoil
changes to address FOD resistance and aircraft inlet distortion induced stress. The blade set can be replaced at the base level and depot. 120 engines and 6 fan sections to be modified.
Aircraft Breakdown: Active 21, Reserve 0, ANG 0, Total 21


Not proof by any means, but interesting none the less.
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sh*t'll buff out.

Good pics.
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Send it back to the Cook, it's a little overly done. Shocked

Thank God those guys made it out!

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Check...

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Good thing is that when it created a smoking hole it went to the left, if it would have went to the right it most likely would have ran into a line of KC-135's and probably killed a bunch of people on the ground. So it was either luck or the pilot did something to make it go left as they pulled the handles.
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I wonder if this crosses the "Dozer Line" regarding online posting of info and/or pics. It was obviously taken from a KC-135 crew member while deployed to Guam.
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