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RamsteinPilot526 wrote:

Wasn't that an Israeli who was flying on a training mission? I recognize the part about the losing the wing but I don't know if it's the same story/event.

Yes, it was an Israeli F-15. Read here:
http://www.f-16.net/varia_article8.html

DeepSpace wrote:

RamsteinPilot526 wrote:

Wasn't that an Israeli who was flying on a training mission? I recognize the part about the losing the wing but I don't know if it's the same story/event.

Yes, it was an Israeli F-15. Read here:
http://www.f-16.net/varia_article8.html

A little off topic:

Does that Fox 4 covered in that incident counts as a kill (even if it's friendly) for the IAF?

No, just an A2A collision / mishap, you name it... but defiantly not a kill.

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if it happened to an enemy "A-4" it would be the funniest kill log ever

X planes killed with AMRAAM
X planes killed with Sidewinder
X planes killed with Gun
1 plane killed with right wing

DeepSpace,

I thought I recognized the story but I wasn't sure so thanks for the link.

Thanks again,

RamsteinPilot526

Over at ACIG (www.ACIG.org), their stats show the Israeli AF has fifty-two aerial victories. The Syrian AF makes six "unconfirmed" claims against IsAF F-16's.
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_270.shtml

Adrian

avon1944 wrote:

The Syrian AF makes six "unconfirmed" claims against IsAF F-16's.

Yes, the Syrians. Always a reliable source of intelligence.

Now where is that website of Baghdad Bob quotations? I could use another good laugh.

I googled Bagdad Bob, this was the first of 2M hits;

Bagdad Bob's Quote's
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library ... nister.htm

Where Is Bagdad Bob -Abu Dhabi
http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/

I don't see why he doesn't work as a comedian? He could make some real money, he's funny. Example; -"The information was correct, but the interpretations were not," he said. "I did my duty up to the last minute."

tmofarrvl wrote:

avon1944 wrote:

The Syrian AF makes six "unconfirmed" claims against IsAF F-16's.

Yes, the Syrians. Always a reliable source of intelligence.

Now where is that website of Baghdad Bob quotations? I could use another good laugh.

But how can we be sure that Israeli's figures are always correct Question

According to acig.org at least few F-4s were downed during 1980s by MiG-21 and -23s.

What about the UAV kill with python V in 2006 over Lebanon, it belonged to Hezbollah, not to other country. The kill marking on F-16D # 074 shows some sort of shield but cannot see it clearly, is it Syria? Lebanon? Iran? what's the markings for Hezbolla's UAV.

JochemP wrote:

What about the UAV kill with python V in 2006 over Lebanon, it belonged to Hezbollah, not to other country. The kill marking on F-16D # 074 shows some sort of shield but cannot see it clearly, is it Syria? Lebanon? Iran? what's the markings for Hizballah's UAV.

As you can see in this link (copy-paste it to your browser, it won't work otherwise): http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2007/08/25/92603673.jpg

It is neither the Lebanese nor the Syrian air forces' insignias. They applied a specially designed mark to designate that Hizballah UAV kill.

DeepSpace wrote:

JochemP wrote:

What about the UAV kill with python V in 2006 over Lebanon, it belonged to Hezbollah, not to other country. The kill marking on F-16D # 074 shows some sort of shield but cannot see it clearly, is it Syria? Lebanon? Iran? what's the markings for Hizballah's UAV.

As you can see in this link (copy-paste it to your browser, it won't work otherwise): http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2007/08/25/92603673.jpg

It is neither the Lebanese nor the Syrian air forces' insignias. They applied a specially designed mark to designate that Hizballah UAV kill.

Thanks mate, those markings are one of a kind, hope to see those profiles here soon.

_Viper_ wrote:

But how can we be sure that Israeli's figures are always correct?

There is a team-effort behind the whole ACIG.org: we have meanwhile almost a dozen of active, semi-active, or "background" members, some of who are serving in the military, while others are scanning a plethora of magazines, books, websites, different private news-agencies etc. The information is then supplied to the editor, who re-checks everything once again with his own sources, and when it's OK, we add it up to our data-bases. At best would be to call the nearest - just for example - Ethiopian ambassy, and ask them about the kills scored by their Su-27s against Eritrean MiG-29s.

Even if you take something as well known as the official US lists of air-to-air victories, and then compare them with what some pilots explain in different publications, you'll find out that these lists are very often not 100% correct.

For example, take the Vietnam War: up to 20 kills more than officially accepted were scored by USAF and USN pilots, but never officially credited nor even recognized as such, because they were scored over areas that were - officially - out of limits. So, you can't find these on the lists.

The Vietnam War: up to 20 kills more than officially accepted were scored by USAF and USN pilots, but never officially credited nor even recognized as such, because they were scored over areas that were - officially - out of limits. So, you can't find these on the lists.

Some of the credited kills were not scored, then the MiGs were "only" damaged. And so, any list depending solely on the official list released by the USAF, just for example, would be imprecise, lack some infos, or wrong in other cases.

Another example: on our list of US kills during the Cold War and some subsequent wars we have had a kill scored by an USAF F-15E crew against an Iraqi helicopter with an LGB as early as late 1999. However, the USAF has only officially recognized this as a "kill" and added it to its list two years back. Consequently, from 1991 until 2002 no such kill was appearing on any official US lists, but from 1999 until 2002 it was appearing on the ACIG.org lists only.

This information is all from the topic "ACIG Journal: Aerial combat kills" in the General Forum section
URL: http://www.s188567700.online.de/forum/v ... php?t=2195

Adrian

sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:

if it happened to an enemy "A-4" it would be the funniest kill log ever

X planes killed with AMRAAM
X planes killed with Sidewinder
X planes killed with Gun
1 plane killed with right wing

Not so fast there, Yute. If one thumbs through the Air to Air Victories in Southeast Asia, you'll come across this entry:

Target destroyed-MiG-17
Aircraft flown- RF-4C
Weapon employed- Centerline drop tank.

Paint a star...it counts!

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