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Hey y'all. I'm 17 prepping for college in about a year , and hopefully taking the track to becoming a female fighter pilot Smile

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I hope that's ok with most you guys. Many have a problem with that . Cool

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As long as you get the job done, it doesen't matter what you have between your legs Smile

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Blue...only looser's who can't hack it as men have a problem with females in the work force. As long as you do what your supposed to, there's nothing anyone can say. Are you going to the USAFA?

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I defiantly agree with you all about that, But you would be surprised at how many guys have a problem with female fighter pilots.

Like me. Course that was several threads and many, many, MANY post ago. But I'm still going to stick to my guns. Very Happy

You have a problem with female fighter pilots ? Why what makes you think guys can do it any better ? Question

I’m definitely “Old School” … and never had a problem with female pilots, but was a bit unsure at first. Like I said before … I got over that and know female pilots are very formidable in the workforce.

However, since I’m a male Crew Chief and still have hormones and haven’t been castrated, sometimes I wish you would bend over and buckle up you’re harness with you’re butt facing aircraft. Make sense? Smile

Not really but I'll take your word for it. My dad was a crew chief in the air force and he always viewed it as it didn't matter who was in the air craft. At that point their life was in your hands, so you couldn't mess anything up . Smile

, But No I don't really understand your slang Smile

. sorry. But you can PM me if you need to dumb it down a bit.

Because I have traditional values and morals. I don't believe in sending in females to battle. Theres an old Chinese saying "It is better to send your first and only son to war then any of your daughters." I have heard too much of what happens from my ground pounding buddies of what happens when a female is integrated into their unit. When a female is in your unit all training and rationality goes out the window. And it has nothing to do with ***** or wanting to rock the casbah it has to do with instinct of protecting the female. When they saw a woman hurt and you can ask most ground pounders the same but when they see a woman hurt in combat they don't see a comrade, or a fellow soldier, or even a fellow American. They see their mother, their wife, their aunt, their niece, their sister, their daughter and they will focus all attention on her. I'm remember a story from a Marine that there was once a young Marine who had his leg blown off in an IED attack. The Corpsman came to his aid but the young Marine saw the one female in his platoon was wounded as well though nowhere near as severe as he was. He asked the Corpsman to attend to her first but the Corpsman refused seeing how he was in worse shape then she was. The young Marine being the true warrior that he was picked up his sidearm and pointed it at the bottom of his chin and said that he will have a dead man on his hands if the Corpsman didn't help the woman first. The Corpsman agreed and went to attend to the female while the Marine watched still holding the weapon ready to end his life to ensure a woman's life. That great warrior bleed to death that day but he did a remarkable and honorable thing that day. I wish that story was more well known to people so they would realize that is how it is. And that is just a small example of why I don't care for female fighter pilots. I can go on if you like and believe me I will go on because no matter how much stupid politics and mtv and all the rest of the media garbage tries to warp American society I'll never surrender my values and morales.

Afnsucks:

The story you offer suggests that women should not be in combat roles because men will not react rationally to their presence (by the way, by 'story' I mean a narrative, I'm not saying it's fictional). This is a practical consideration but it doesn't speak directly to the moral grounds on which you claim women should be excluded from combat. Could you say something more about what your beliefs are?

Two of the American values that I respect most are equality and self-determination. I don't believe that men and women are equal in terms of all of their abilities but I do believe I should try to look at those differences with respect rather than only valuing the things I can do well.

I disagree that women shouldn't be in combat. You say that male combatants don't see women as comrades but as their mother, aunt, sister, etc. You may be right about that, but perhaps that is so because women haven't had a long history of being in combat. Maybe we're all still adjusting and it will take some time. But if women don't get into combat roles, we'll never get use to seeing them there and they'll never hold leadership positions in the military. There's harm in that, isn't there?

I know that when I was a kid, almost all cops were men. It was strange when our police force started recruiting more women and it was strange when our grade school teacher started telling us to use the term 'police officer' instead of 'policeman'. But we all got used to it and years later, 'policeman' really sounds like an anachronism to me. Perhaps you think I've been brainwashed but I would suggest that I've grown.

My friend's a bit of a historian and he tells me that we can often learn something about our current conflicts by looking at how we dealt with past ones. I'm not old enough to know first hand, but I know that I lot of nativist objections were raised about racial integration in the military. People said it would destroy unit morale, people said that some races were inherently inferior to other ones in terms of combat abilities. I wonder if we're going through something similar now with women in combat roles.

BTW, I've heard that women by virtue of their anatomy are better at taking G's then men.

Mike

BlueFighter17 wrote:

Not really but I'll take your word for it. My dad was a crew chief in the air force and he always viewed it as it didn't matter who was in the air craft. At that point their life was in your hands, so you couldn't mess anything up . Smile

, But No I don't really understand your slang Smile

. sorry. But you can PM me if you need to dumb it down a bit.

(Laughing) I think VarkVet is saying that he's trying his very best not to ogle women's butts as they suit up and would appreciate if you would help him by aiming your butt towards the aircraft and not him.

Mike

My beliefs are as follows: women should not be in combat. What does it have to do with morals? What is war? War in itself is unmoral yet we try our best to make it civilized with rules of war yet it still is a very savage thing so why must we make it equal for everyone to partake in one of mankind's worst sides? Are we trying to prove a point by not only letting man kill his fellow man but also woman as well? Is that what we want? To prove that both sexes are capable of killing and destruction of human life?

Equality and self-determination are important but we are not all equal. No matter what kind of crap they teach in our schools today everyone is equal and the same is total bull$3(*. If a man has a good three point shoot but is only 4'2'' do you put him on the basketballteam? If a man weighs 98 pounds do you point in the heavyweight category? Even a man has an IQ of 105 do you let him Mensa? If a man has asthma and 3 toes on each foot do you let him in the military? If a man wants to have a baby but can't because his God given organs don't do that do you call him crazy or offer him a ***** change so he can be equal? Self-determination is a good thing. Thats what makes America great. You can do almost anything if you're determined enough and thats why I determined to never forgo my beliefs. And if all goes I can introduce this fine bill I have proposed to ban women from combat related duties. If I was President I sure as hell would make it happen.

Why get used to something that should never happen in the first place? Why get used to war? I joined (and I hope many others who joined did the same)to end war not prolong it or make it happen. To end it so no one has to go through it. War will always be there but we must minimize it as much as we can. It is not a playground for fairness and political correctness and equal opportunity it is savage and evil.

Policeman is a no no now? Hpmm. I wonder how much longer it will be before we can't say Mom or Dad because its sexist and we can only refer to them as parent?

Racial integration and religious integration are all fine. They have been done before in many countries. Did you know that most French refer to themselves only as French? Not Indian French or German French or African French but just French? Their skin may be different, their god might have a different name, but they share the same country. That is different. We may share the same country but not the same body types. Please let me know your knowledge of biology and I don't mean that in a negative way in any matter I would just like to know so for the next reply I can point out our biological difference that affect how we fight.

Yes women do naturally fair better in high G due to them having more fat cells in their bodies (sorry ladies) but when the average male muscular system is introduced then we fair better because we are naturally more muscular then women. I am built like a scare crow. I am 5'10'' and weigh about 158 pounds but I can lift over 240 pounds while female of the same built have trouble with 150 pounds. Man I should really start going to the gym. I'm not trying to taunt or insult you in any way but I do like a good debate and sometimes even a good convert. Join me and the Dark side.

Sucks

Ok well I guess it's time for me to put in my two cents first off thanks mike appreciate your fairness , ok now you don't think women should be allowed into combat because the other males aren't going to treat her as a another soldier but more as their gf, mother, that sort of thing . Well then it sounds to me like someone needs to slap these guys in the back of the head and tell them to keep it together. I'm not your average girl and I wasn't raised as your average girl. I don't care how many women get into the law enforcement , fire fighting , postal service I will always know them the same way. police man or police officer , fire man or fire fighter and mail man. I'm not a goody toe shoes kinda person. I was raised by two military parents and know better. I don't want any different kind of treatment just cause I'm a girl. I can handle myself , now there may be some girls out there that don't need to be on the flight line, but I don't think you should put every girl into one category, cause there are some men that don't need to be there either. And the whole strength thing , yeah naturally men may be built different but you put it past a girl like me I'll match and or pass your physical strengths . There are good and bad to every situation just because bad includes women doesn't mean we shouldn't be around it. Us women can take care of ourselves whether men like to believe it or not. Your ego likes to say "I need to take care of the girl." we go through a lot without the help of a man . So don't be so quick to tell Us what we need. And if you were president you would pull women out of combat....well that's why you're not president . A girl can do anything a guy can, the only difference is we might have to work a little harder at it , (but we can do hard work try being pregnant) and we look better doing it. Smile

don't be so quick to judge. Big No No

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