Forum: F-35 Lightning II

For those who don't what this is about, the air base where the F-35 is being built is concerned about encroachment from developing communities. Encroachment is often used in this context to describe when communities build residential housing closer and closer to an air base, upon which they start to complain to the government about noise pollution, and it leads to the demise of the air base. For those of you who are familiar with the issue, are you concerned? Any thoughts?

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Been in that area a lot. Lived there 80-83. Last time I was there was 2004. White Plains is pushed right up next to it so I don't see how one can avoid noise there. Of course you have the lake at one end. There is the old base housing at the other and now that has changed some. Anyone that files a complaint should be answered with the fact that they would have to be clinically brain dead not to know that there is a base there and noise is there. You have F-16 demos that aren't exactly quit or did a lot when I was there. Then of course in the good old days you had B-52Ds !!! Laughing

Then Hs. and there was of course KC-135s..... LOUD 'A' Models...F-105s.. then F-4Ds Laughing

Of course all that is gone and you have a variety of planes there . Hornets are kinda noisy on landing approach IMHO.

A lot of money still feeds off of that area. I would imagine any noise complaints by the cluelessly moronic would get shut down by a judge who knows which $ide his bread is buttered on and by who.

You would think, but I get the feeling some of the plant employees see dark clouds ahead. I know it sounds absurd, but if it happened, that would be devastating. I guess the government would know better than to shut its own F-35 plant down.

I would print up bumper stickers that say- "If you have a problem with jet noise, you are in the wrong town."

T-shirts too. Laughing

It is like that Star Trek Motivational Poster showing a picture of McCoy...

(paraphrase)

- You don't like transporters, computers and new fangled technology...

...Dude,... maybe space isn't for you.

Aircraft traffic as the JRB is not nearly as bad as every other AFB I've been to (30+). With as hard as they (city gov and citizens) fought to get ANY other mission when Carswell lost it's primary mission as a B-52 base, the nay sayers will easily be drowned out by supporters.

If in doubt, but out those residents who complain and sell those houses at great discount to deaf people. Problem solved.

In Italy there's plnty of these problems. Building around airports (civil as well as military) should be forbidden, but little town majors usually give permits to build in exchange of votes, and when a community forms around, and you have spend hundred thousand euros building sewers, water plants, roads post office and police station its all too late: a civic comitee forms complainig the danger of low flying aircrafts just near the roof of the houses, and all that noise, and that time in 1980 when a cessna landed out of the strip (but inside the boundaries), and what about those suspect jet streams that everyone know it is needed to expell toxic wastes?

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Most of the encroachment is north of the airfield. The west side, the town of White Settlement, is about the same as it was 40 years ago with house just a few hundred yards form the runway. The stuff out north is new housing, which can be seen in the F-35 flight photos.

http://www.f-16.net/modules/Gallery2/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=203732&g2_serialNumber=2

The the airbase is about as close to a major city as there is...that being said it does have a lot of support form the local community with Lockheed Martin and the base employing a bunch of people...

ti has also survived a couple of rounds of base closings and is a multi use airfield/base with Marine, Navy Air Force Guard and Reserve units (with rumor of an Army Reserve helo unit move in) as well as a new military community PX and a federal prison.

Take a bunch to close this one....but you never know.

Z

LMAggie
What is LM doing as far as community involvement, action groups, or political action committees in the local government?
What restrictions have they placed on the airfield runoff areas, keeping them protected from development?
Many places in the US have the same problem so there are plenty of base action plans to go by without reinventing the wheel.

Unfortunately, most of those places are losing the battle. Biggest pain the the rear at Eglin are a bunch of retired colonels who you would think would know better...

A vote for noise abatement is a vote for Osama. Laughing

ACMIguy wrote:

LMAggie
What is LM doing as far as community involvement, action groups, or political action committees in the local government?
What restrictions have they placed on the airfield runoff areas, keeping them protected from development?
Many places in the US have the same problem so there are plenty of base action plans to go by without reinventing the wheel.

Lockheed Martin and the community are starting to hold monthly awareness meetings at a local high school. I have seen more and more pamphlets around the plant, which is why I thought I'd post about it. It seems as though supporters are trying to nip this in the butt. On the other hand, I think that there are no restrictions in place yet. The supporters have generated a plan, we will see how that goes.

With all of the air traffic in the DFW area, i doubt that you are going to see anything happen to NAS FW. i was just down there to see my sister and anywhere in the DFW area you are 10 miles from an airport. just look at google earth! aviation is a core industry in north texas and i would think that the good people there realize that. Carswell field is going to around for along time. there is alot of open country to spread out into in north texas.

LMAggie wrote:

Lockheed Martin and the community are starting to hold monthly awareness meetings at a local high school. I have seen more and more pamphlets around the plant, which is why I thought I'd post about it. It seems as though supporters are trying to nip this in the butt. On the other hand, I think that there are no restrictions in place yet. The supporters have generated a plan, we will see how that goes.

You have a better chance than most to make things happen in your favor, with a factory that employee's and supports all of FW area.
In SC we pooled the resources of everyone from local business leaders to Congress.
http://www.house.gov/list/press/sc05_sp ... osure.html

Abatement and encroachment issues will close down a place just as fast as BRAC.
A short answer to your concerns would be a moratorium placed on any and all buildings for a minimum of 1 mile or more at each end of the runway.
A committee should be set up that is vigilant, and pro-active to any and all threats.
I remember Patrick AFB thought they were immune to closer, and they had retiree's who complained of the jet noise there. So when the jets left town so did most of the retiree's services. Then they cried foul, and whined about them pulling out.Now the place is only a shell of what it once was.
I would recommend your people contact public affairs offices, such as Shaw AFB and others who have survived, and ask for community contacts to collect information from.

Lightndattic wrote:

Aircraft traffic as the JRB is not nearly as bad as every other AFB I've been to (30+). With as hard as they (city gov and citizens) fought to get ANY other mission when Carswell lost it's primary mission as a B-52 base, the nay sayers will easily be drowned out by supporters.

If in doubt, but out those residents who complain and sell those houses at great discount to deaf people. Problem solved.

Jet aircarft noise in association with the military is as we call it "The Sounds of Freedom" if they don't want to hear it there are countries to live in that don't have those noises. I think you will find the complainers are people who never served and have just enjoyed the freedom we gave them.

Interesting that you use that phrase....the motto of the campaign to stop the NAS JRB encroachment is "Defend the Sound of Freedom."

Forum: F-35 Lightning II

Base Encroachment at NAS JRB Ft. Worth