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seat_dreamer
PostPosted: Oct 21, 2007 - 03:38 PM Reply with quote Back to top
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Hello folks, I have this phrase coming from somewhere:

"When entering STT or DTT from TWS, all contacts will remain on screen while the single or two targets are being actively tracked."

This implies that in STT/DTT, the radar can still scan the airspace assigned.

Asking how this works is porbably OPSEC violation, but I'd like to ask, is that true or not ? If yes, does that "count" for every radar or there are specific ones that can do that (I'm not asking which are of course Very Happy )

Thanks for any replies....Smile Just want a "yes/yes", "no/no" reply, no further details...

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AESA is out.
POSITIONS ARE COMPUTED NOT SCANED FOR THE REST.
stt and dtt means you are half blind.
but the wingman could still be in tws... Cheers

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Who uses TWS these days?????

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I think what you are referring to is "bugging" one or two targets in RWS mode while continuing to scan for and detect/display "raw" radar contacts on the scope. I think this is refered to as RWS/SAM mode with the SAM standing for Situational Awareness Mode. There is a reduction in the number of bars the radar can scan in addition to reduced azimuth (if I remember correctly) when in RWS/SAM mode. It's sort of like a blend of pure RWS and TWS. You are not providing continuous wave illumination to the target(s) you lock up in RWS/SAM mode, so you you can't guide a semi-active radar homing missile in RWS/SAM mode. Single target track is the only mode capable of guiding SARH missiles onto target. The difference between RWS and RWS/SAM mode is basically that in TWS mode, all displayed targets have velocity vectors associated with them. In RWS/SAM mode or dual target track (DTT) mode, you only have velocity vectors for one or two aircraft at a time. The rest of the displayed contacts are raw returns. Although I don't think DTT mode is implemented in Falcon 4.0, SAM mode definitely is. TMS (target management switch) up once in pure RWS with radar cursors centered on the target of interest to "bug" it and go into SAM mode. TMS up again on the bugged target to lock it up in STT mode, at which point your radar cannot scan for any targets. You lose all your situational awareness as far as the radar picture is concerned. Hence the term Situational Awareness Mode (SAM).

And to the OPSEC Nazis... I learned this from playing Falcon 4.0 on my PC. Even the original version released in 1998 had this mode modelled. Don't even bother with your OPSEC warnings.
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Raptor One--As a retired F-16 pointyhead (avionics) who has Falcon 4.0, I can assure you that the sim is not near enough to the real airplane to give the bad guys any inside information on how a Viper's avionics really work. However, the sim's flying characteristics are damn near identical to the UTD I flew many times.

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SixerViper wrote:
Raptor One--As a retired F-16 pointyhead (avionics) who has Falcon 4.0, I can assure you that the sim is not near enough to the real airplane to give the bad guys any inside information on how a Viper's avionics really work. However, the sim's flying characteristics are damn near identical to the UTD I flew many times.


If you're "flying" or have "flown" any of the recent incarnations of Falcon 4.0, I can take credit for co-developing the hi-fidelity F-16 flight models you claim to be almost identical to the UTD (what does that stand for anyway?). Check this document for more information on their development as well as some detailed performance charts:

http://www.checksix-fr.com/downloads/fa ... manual.pdf

Falcon 4: Allied Force hasn't implemented 100% of the data from the HFFMs originally released for the BMS 2.0 incarnation of Falcon 4.0, but they're close enough at this point. If you really want the best implementation of the HFFMs however, you need to get your hands on one of the latest OpenFalcon executables. These include even more improvements... especially in terms of engine transient operation. Even the RPM, FTIT, etc. gauges respond much like the real thing.

And yes, I do mean to toot my own horn here. Very Happy
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