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Newbie Joined: Sep 29, 2007 Posts: 3 Status: Offline

Who has a picture of the "Chinese F-16" from Pakistan?

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Newbie Joined: Oct 01, 2007 Posts: 2 Status: Offline

I've never seen!

Or heard...

Newbie Joined: Sep 30, 2007 Posts: 5 Status: Offline

Just read that the Chinese bought an F-16A from Pakistan when they were developing the J-10, but haven`t seen a pic
i dunno if its true though

Elite 2K Joined: May 13, 2004 Posts: 2945 Location: Utah

Taiwan maybe, not mainland China from Pakistan...that is one sure way of that country losing support from the US...trust me on this one.

Enthusiast Joined: Oct 19, 2006 Posts: 96 Status: Offline

Meathook wrote:

Taiwan maybe, not mainland China from Pakistan...that is one sure way of that country losing support from the US...trust me on this one.

There have been persistent reports that when the US embargoed weapons deliveries to Pakistan during the 1980s, that Pakistan provided Chinese officials with access to its F-16A's. I have never heard of any hardware actually being transferred, but the Chinese could have learned a great deal from operator manuals and from flight test of Pakistan's aircraft.

The rumors have never been fully substantiated, but the US government is known to have added additional language to the export authorization for the Block 52+ F-16s that Pakistan is expected to receive next year, to ensure that access by Chinese or other foreign officials would be denied.

Elite 2K Joined: May 13, 2004 Posts: 2945 Location: Utah

I don't place allot of anything worth worrying about based on rumors or unestablished reports, but your right, if books like that feel into their hands, the reading would be interesting but without a workable platform...its like being at the window of a ladies fancy underwear shop and its closed...it does no good at all

Enthusiast Joined: Oct 19, 2006 Posts: 96 Status: Offline

I dug up the article I remembered seeing from Jane's Defence Weekly - dated July 26, 2006. To site the introduction to the article,

Quote:

The US government will attach a number of "extraordinary" security requirements to the proposed sale of F-16 fighter aircraft to Pakistan.

In response to concerns from members of the US Congress that key technologies may fall into the hands of other countries, particularly China, the US Department of State (DoS) has added a number of conditions to the sale. According to a copy of talking points that were distributed to members of Congress, Pakistan will be required to comply with a stringent US government security plan for all F-16 aircraft and facilities, restricting access to outside nationals and limiting F-16 flights outside Pakistan.

The article goes on in more depth, but I think you get the idea. Whether past reports of Pakistan sharing access to its F-16s with China is real or imagined, the US government is taking no chances with the next round of F-16 deliveries.

For China, access to the F-16 would of course be invaluable in their contingency plans for a future confrontation over Taiwan.

Newbie Joined: Sep 20, 2007 Posts: 6 Status: Offline

tmofarrvl wrote:

I dug up the article I remembered seeing from Jane's Defence Weekly - dated July 26, 2006. To site the introduction to the article,

Quote:

The US government will attach a number of "extraordinary" security requirements to the proposed sale of F-16 fighter aircraft to Pakistan.

In response to concerns from members of the US Congress that key technologies may fall into the hands of other countries, particularly China, the US Department of State (DoS) has added a number of conditions to the sale. According to a copy of talking points that were distributed to members of Congress, Pakistan will be required to comply with a stringent US government security plan for all F-16 aircraft and facilities, restricting access to outside nationals and limiting F-16 flights outside Pakistan.

The article goes on in more depth, but I think you get the idea. Whether past reports of Pakistan sharing access to its F-16s with China is real or imagined, the US government is taking no chances with the next round of F-16 deliveries.

For China, access to the F-16 would of course be invaluable in their contingency plans for a future confrontation over Taiwan.

What happens if Pakistan implodes and we are not able to spirit away the Block 52 F-16's just delivered to them? What guarantee we will have that the new Pakistan government will religiously honor its commitments to keep the Chinese or hostile foreign powers away from the Block 52's they have? Were that to happen, what happened in Iran in 1979 with 79 F-14's abandoned there as plans to fly them out to an air base in the Negev were scrapped by the Carter Administration.

Ditto to Venezula's F-16A/B's which are slowly becoming inoperable due to an embargo on spare parts and their air force is slowly being equipped with Sukhoi SU-30's. What will happen to the Venezulan F-16's as Russian tech personnel take advantage of the opportunity to look inside the innards of the F-16 to get a good look at the avionics for possible dismantling and shipping back to Moscow? It would be wise for the US to ask Chile to make an offer to purchase the F-16's from Venezula where they can be rehabilitated at a base in Chile upon delivery.

Goodwin

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