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cheer up with that cold war mentality man Smile

dwightlooi wrote:

Beagle79 wrote:

very well,

guess that i will prepare my kids to live in a 1st world country in 3rd world social standard

with first class Air Power Very Happy

Quality of life and well being is not best achieved through government programs paid for by taxation. That is Socialism. The effects of socialism will range from Stalinist and Maoist disasters to the mere bankrupting of a nation through bleeding heart moronism like Social Security, Medicare and Welfare. It is not a question of if but when social security and Medicare will bankrupt this nation. And western European socialism is bankrupting all of these once great nations. Do you know that Defense is currently about 16.7% of the Federal budget while Social Program (read socialist rip offs) are 61%, and the latter is growing at a faster rate than defense EVER did in the last 20 years? Do you also know that the top 5% of income earners currently pay 60% of all taxes and the top 50% now pay 97% of all taxes?

Neither healthcare, education nor retirement should be entitlements orchestrated by the state. They can and should be benefits to able and responsible citizens paid for through individual responsibility and capitalistic market competition. You WILL get better healthcare with providers competing for your dollars. You WILL get better education if schools have to offer good service at a good price or lose students to a competing school. You WILL get more retirement income if you kept every penny of the social security tax and simply put it in a CD! And for the meek, stupid, irresponsible or lazy, they should suffer. And through their suffering we will encourage strength, wisdom, responsible behavior and hard work.

Let me ask you a question. Why is it that you do not trust yourself with your own money and with looking out for your own interests. Why won't you trust the guy next to you at work or the guy in front of you on the freeway with the same? Why is it that you will rather trust the Nancy Pelosis, Harry Reids, Hillary Clintons and George Bushes of the world with your money and entrust them to look after your well being? Why is it that you trust the proven wasteful, inefficient, unaccountable and sometimes corrupt government bureaucracies?

If I wanted to live in a pink society I would have immigrated to Socialist Europe. But I don't. So I chose America. What I am really disappointed about is the creeping slide into the abyss of euro-socialism that I am seeing in this country. I'll fight socialism of all forms in all degrees to my dying breathe -- BETTER DEAD THAN SOCIALIZED!

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Yeah, in a perfect world, only corporations get government taxpayer funded assistance. Laughing

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YES...Big Time!

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dwightlooi wrote:

Beagle79 wrote:

very well,

guess that i will prepare my kids to live in a 1st world country in 3rd world social standard

with first class Air Power Very Happy

Quality of life and well being is not best achieved through government programs paid for by taxation. That is Socialism. The effects of socialism will range from Stalinist and Maoist disasters to the mere bankrupting of a nation through bleeding heart moronism like Social Security, Medicare and Welfare. It is not a question of if but when social security and Medicare will bankrupt this nation. And western European socialism is bankrupting all of these once great nations. Do you know that Defense is currently about 16.7% of the Federal budget while Social Program (read socialist rip offs) are 61%, and the latter is growing at a faster rate than defense EVER did in the last 20 years? Do you also know that the top 5% of income earners currently pay 60% of all taxes and the top 50% now pay 97% of all taxes?

Neither healthcare, education nor retirement should be entitlements orchestrated by the state. They can and should be benefits to able and responsible citizens paid for through individual responsibility and capitalistic market competition. You WILL get better healthcare with providers competing for your dollars. You WILL get better education if schools have to offer good service at a good price or lose students to a competing school. You WILL get more retirement income if you kept every penny of the social security tax and simply put it in a CD! And for the meek, stupid, irresponsible or lazy, they should suffer. And through their suffering we will encourage strength, wisdom, responsible behavior and hard work.

Let me ask you a question. Why is it that you do not trust yourself with your own money and with looking out for your own interests. Why won't you trust the guy next to you at work or the guy in front of you on the freeway with the same? Why is it that you will rather trust the Nancy Pelosis, Harry Reids, Hillary Clintons and George Bushes of the world with your money and entrust them to look after your well being? Why is it that you trust the proven wasteful, inefficient, unaccountable and sometimes corrupt government bureaucracies?

If I wanted to live in a pink society I would have immigrated to Socialist Europe. But I don't. So I chose America. What I am really disappointed about is the creeping slide into the abyss of euro-socialism that I am seeing in this country. I'll fight socialism of all forms in all degrees to my dying breathe -- BETTER DEAD THAN SOCIALIZED!

My two- cents: The world has forever (speaking of society and governemnts) been in a state continual change. Thus far the constitutionally contstrained capitaliasitc society of the USA has thus far in the time-line of civilization been found to the best thus invented.

Yet, the world is forever changing and nothing lasts forever. The socialism/communism of the old USSR and China was found to be full of more holes than a sifter. One need to be aware that the absolutely brutal and murderous Communist goverments from history... the brutality was never envisioned by its founders but grew from the environment which granted total control to a few men over the many. What happens when a man is given absolute power? That man becomes corrupt.

I see that the world is growing and swaying towards a more peacefull form of socalism. The result of bleeding heart elitists who act on emotion rather than knowledge and facts. Socialism in the US is nothing new. Read your history books on the early United States history; it existed in the begining as well, though the name perhaps not 'socialism' or 'communism' the ideas were the same. A rose is a rose by any other name.

So long as mankind, individuals, have the freedom to succeed in business there will always be those who have and those who have less. I know many professors who are sold on the idea of a peaceful semi-socialistic world, and though while they may be greatly opposed to the goverments of the old USSR, China, Cuba, ect, they fail to recognize the slippery slope that lies on that path and which will lead to brutal goverments of the past.

Personally, one of the things that greatly brings me worry is the people who know better than I do, how I should live my life:

I need to stop smoking because it will kill me: Bullshit. For being a chain smoker, I am in better health than perhaps 85% of my fellow Americans. Despite health issues unrelate to smoking, I'll outlive all of the overweight people in my age bracket.

Other things such as the following also concern me greatly:

Pornography needs to be eliminated because it leads to broken marriages. What right do the christian thought police have in telling me that I am not too view non-violent material in the privacy of my home? What rights has the goverment is deciding that its best for people to get married and stay married? Last time I checked, marriage was a PURELY religious 'sacrament' and not invented by the Kings and Queens and dictators of the ancient world.

The fairness doctrine for radio and televised political shows: what right has the goverment to decide what in the hell is the god damned 'alternative' to whatever show or format is popular and then give that government SANCTIONED alternative an equal ammount of airtime?? Look at our current situation in the US: we have Republicans and Democrats. The republican shows are very popular and so the fairness doctrine is being pushed onto the US to give democrat shows equal airtime. So now we have the ****** US goverment trying to gain the power to DECIDE for the US citizens what thier alternatve is!!! What if the goverment decides that the US citizens alternative to consertive republican shows is a political party which stands for ending the eating of animals and that the US needs to be a vegetarian society and that goverment employees are to be the CEO's and CFO's of every incorporated business? This my friends, the fairness doctrine, is EXTREMELY ****** scary sh*t.

Personally I am in the upper (I think) ~8% of income earners and therefore I pay more in taxes in one year than many, many, people pay over god knows how many years. Am I wealthy? Hell no, but I do live comfortably and I got to where I got by rolling up my sleaves and busting my a$$ for year after year, after year, and earning everything on my own. But now they want to tax me even higher because its unfair to those who have less. I was born on the other side of the tracks and I can tell you that the majority of people who have less are those people who never tried to do a damned thing with their lives other than spend their days drinking and just wasting time. I saw the error in their ways at a young age and saved my adult life for becoming a hard drinking chain smoker after I achieved what I wanted.

I have no stomach for people in perfectly good health who waste their pitiful lives and then cry that the "rich" should give them a %'age of their money.

What does this have to do with the F-35 JSF? Nothing... Saw this topic creaping into the forum, and this is one of those topics that really gets my blood pressure going.

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fox100...we don't care. Your post is off topic. I'm getting back to my binge drinking and chain smoking now....LoL

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fox WTF was that exactly???? That belongs in here about as much as a eulogy. take it to world affairs talk or something mate.

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Freaking Twilight Zone crapola, what the hell.... did Rod Sterling come back from the dead?

Is this a political science class, I think I missed that when I took it!

Hang on, let me grab a cup of java, put my sandals on, slip on some shorts, mat my hair and be prepared to be bored shitless. WTF is right!!!

Let me see if I can fine an old Donovan Album to put on to place my limited mind in the right frame of mind, who really gives a damn...jeez

I got my BMW to drive with the music blasting Smile

Ozzy & Meathook, I agree, I prefer to kick back with some good Java and Jimmy Buffett myself.

Fox 100, we live on the third rock from the Sun, and we have to slow down to keep up with people from the land of "Far Far Away". The answer to the question is "Yes" or "No".

To your point of not eating meat, I have never known a vegetarian society to succeed on this planet, however some of the most horrific leaders and mass murderers were vegetarian.

Thumper3181 wrote:

there are a lot of forums on the Internet. One of the things I like best about this one is that politics seem to be left at the door.

....And religion! Wink

the best advantage about F-35's is that they have B-2's on their side.
Lets just hope there will be no need to deploy any air force when the last legacy a\c's go to boneyard and those few 5th gen. a\c's will remain alone, a few elite in a big, big, big, big world.

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acting out over ONE word --- "social" standard....

what are we: a bunch of testosterone-over-my-head teenagers? or is it ego? that's lame man

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To me, F35's information superiority is going to be one of its greatest strengths too. Imagine a pack of Lightening IIs into attack: passing around battlefield info while minimizing detection. The bad guys wouldn't know who blew up their roofs/SAMs even if they had the best radars in the market (well, in theory that is). Time will tell whether the whole package (stealth, sensor fusion, data-link, etc) will be enough to offset the relative lack of kinetics and small nose size when compared to other 4.0-4.5G/Sukhoi fighters.

On a separate note: unit price and politics will also play important roles. If the fly-away cost is to eventually exceed ~120M, or the deal is to sound too sh*tty to some, many in the congress/consortium will then start to really ask WTF and threaten to pull out.... Confused

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in any case, best of wishes to the program Idea

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