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Elite 1K Joined: Apr 26, 2004 Posts: 1215 Status: Offline

When I was an instructor at Ramstein I was asked to give the pilots a quick refresher on how to turn there own jets in case they went to a base with no F-16 qualified folks. Pilots understood the concept of you give it gas (Throttle) on the left and you gas it on the left........never touch the right. It was fun watching them take SOAP samples...oil everywhere

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A few years back we had a pretty lazy crew chief that decided he was not going to defuel the centerline before removing it. To his suprise, the centerline was quite heavy when full of gas. When he unlocked the the pylon hooks, the tank rapidly fell breaking both hydrualic rams and flattening both tires of the dolly. You can imagine that he was the brunt of much harrassing till he left the unit. Bang Head

Elite 1K Joined: Apr 26, 2004 Posts: 1215 Status: Offline

This is off topic a little so sorry......while at Bitburg in the early 80's the guys in the 53th never depuddled the tanks if if was raining...they just opened the ports then towed...by the time they were at the fuel barn the jet was empty.

Purplehaze

That's nice! Doh

Taco44 wrote:

A few years back we had a pretty lazy crew chief that decided he was not going to defuel the centerline before removing it. To his suprise, the centerline was quite heavy when full of gas. When he unlocked the the pylon hooks, the tank rapidly fell breaking both hydrualic rams and flattening both tires of the dolly. You can imagine that he was the brunt of much harrassing till he left the unit.

Ouch 2040lbs slaming down is going to do some damage, good thing no one was in the way I don't think steel toes will do you any good. I have see some scary situations too. Like when they bring tanks to the tank farm...yes i am fuel shop...and they didn't defuel completely, seen too many c/c almost lose their fingers on the dolly cause the tank smashed their hand.

falconmaintainer wrote:

Ouch 2040lbs slaming down is going to do some damage, good thing no one was in the way I don't think steel toes will do you any good. I have see some scary situations too. Like when they bring tanks to the tank farm...yes i am fuel shop...and they didn't defuel completely, seen too many c/c almost lose their fingers on the dolly cause the tank smashed their hand.

If I had a nickel for everytime I saw that... well, I'd have about $1 but ... Doh

Newbie Joined: Feb 23, 2005 Posts: 13 Status: Offline

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am I right to state that the refuelling point of the Viper is on the port side while the defuelling point is on the starboard side?

Other countries buy vipers and may totally strip them and revamp the insides, that is according to our lockheed engineer. Obviously it would take alot of work to switch the sides of the respective receptacles though. But then again Israel has made F-15 capable of refueling other jets. I have had to defuel a tank with a bowser and that took just a little over an hour, including the time it took to take the bowser to empty it. Sometimes those crewchiefs just dont think when the try to drop a tank that is still full of fuel.

Active Member Joined: Apr 08, 2004 Posts: 193

noot127 wrote:

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am I right to state that the refuelling point of the Viper is on the port side while the defuelling point is on the starboard side?

You can refuel it through the defuel receptacle Smile

Just in case anyone was wondering

I was told we could, but it wasn't good for the jet. Any reason? I'd assume something about the valves?

Newbie Joined: Feb 23, 2005 Posts: 13 Status: Offline

I am curious to know how long it would take to refuel through the defuel side. I am guessing a fairly long time sense the flapper valves on the ffp would nearly prevnt fuel from flowing. Not saying it can't be done but is it an allday job?

Elite 1K Joined: Apr 26, 2004 Posts: 1215 Status: Offline

Thats why it's called the defuel recpt and also why it's not in the 12JG.

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The only reason you would do it is for trouble shooting.

I have been a 16 crew chief for 10 years. I have done my fair share of defuels and there is no way in the world that you can defuel a full jet even with just 370's up in 15 minutes. I would say more like 30 minutes and that's if you have a good set of tanks that transfer the way they are supposed to. For a weight and balance defuel the T.O. actually says once your aft/foward fuel low light come on to stop the operation and wait a minimum of 15 minutes so that any residual an be transfered and for any crew chief you know for a weight and balance you will have a slick jet.

Elite 1K Joined: Apr 26, 2004 Posts: 1215 Status: Offline

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I have been a 16 crew chief for 10 years. I have done my fair share of defuels and there is no way in the world that you can defuel a full jet even with just 370's up in 15 minutes. I would say more like 30 minutes and that's if you have a good set of tanks that transfer the way they are supposed to.

You are so right, there's no way you could do that in 15 min. Heck it takes 1/2 an hour just to round up the crew.

Purplehaze

And you have to take a smoke break before too.

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