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B-52 mistakenly flies with nukes aboard

By Michael Hoffman - Staff writer
Posted : Wednesday Sep 5, 2007 22:03:04 EDT


A B-52 bomber mistakenly loaded with five nuclear warheads flew from Minot Air Force Base, N.D., to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., on Aug. 30, resulting in an Air Force-wide investigation, according to three officers who asked not to be identified because they were not authorized to discuss the incident.

The B-52 was loaded with Advanced Cruise Missiles, part of a Defense Department effort to decommission 400 of the ACMs. But the nuclear warheads should have been removed at Minot before being transported to Barksdale, the officers said. The missiles were mounted onto the pylons of the bomber’s wings.

Advanced Cruise Missiles carry a W80-1 warhead with a yield of 5 to 150 kilotons and are specifically designed for delivery by B-52 strategic bombers.

Air Force spokesman Lt. Col. Ed Thomas said the transfer was safely conducted and the weapons were in Air Force custody and control at all times.

However, the mistake was not discovered until the B-52 landed at Barskdale, which left the warheads unaccounted for during the approximately 3 1/2 hour flight between the two bases, the officers said.

An investigation headed by Maj. Gen. Douglas Raaberg, director of Air and Space Operations at Air Combat Command Headquarters, was launched immediately to find the cause of the mistake and figure out how it could have been prevented, Thomas said.

Air Force officials wouldn’t officially specify whether nuclear weapons were involved, in accordance with long-standing Defense Department policy regarding nuclear munitions, Thomas said. However, the three officers close to the situation did confirm the warheads were nuclear.

Officials at Minot immediately conducted an inventory of its nuclear weapons after the oversight was discovered, and Thomas said he could confirm that all remaining nuclear weapons at Minot are accounted for.

“Air Force standards are very exacting when it comes to munitions handling,” he said. “The weapons were always in our custody and there was never a danger to the American public.”

At no time was there a risk for a nuclear detonation, even if the B-52 crashed on its way to Barksdale, said Steve Fetter, a former Defense Department official who worked on nuclear weapons policy in 1993-94. A crash could ignite the high explosives associated with the warhead, and possibly cause a leak of the plutonium, but the warheads’ elaborate safeguards would prevent a nuclear detonation from occurring, he said.

“The main risk would have been the way the Air Force responded to any problems with the flight because they would have handled it much differently if they would have known nuclear warheads were onboard,” he said.

The risk of the warheads falling into the hands of rogue nations or terrorists was minimal since the weapons never left the United States, according to Fetter and Michael O’Hanlon, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, an independent research and policy think tank in Washington, D.C.

The crews involved with the mistaken load at the 5th Bomb Wing at Minot have been temporarily decertified from performing their duties involving munitions pending corrective actions or additional training, Thomas said.

Air Combat Command will have a command-wide mission stand down Sept. 14 to review their procedures in response to this oversight, he said.

“The Air Force takes its mission to safeguard weapons seriously,” he said. “No effort will be spared to ensure that the matter is thoroughly and completely investigated.”

Source: http://www.militarytimes.com/news/2007/ ... 2_070904w/


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some people are gonna get seriously boned at minot.
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Also see the forum discussion: <a href="f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-8994.html">B-52 carried nuclear armed cruise missiles by mistake</a>
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I'm sorry, but I have to throw the BS flag on this one!!

I worked FB-111's at Pease intil the base was closed in '90, had to be on PRP and the whole nine yards. We had nukes there loaded on planes, the only time I ever saw those planes move was during exercises, they would do the "Elephant Walk", get to EOR wait a few minutes then taxi back.

Nukes don't "accidently" get loaded onto an airplane.
Crew chiefs don't "accidently" pre-flight a jet and not realize there are nukes loaded up.
Aircrews don't "accidently" take off and fly with nukes onboard.

Something "smells" really fishy on this one.....

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What smells probably is the process for years of PowerPoint warriors downsizing everything. Any idea that we have SAC like policys from the "good old days" is now hard to believe.

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A couple of years ago some contractor bought a lot of empty wood weapons crates at a DRMO auction, when they started to cut them up what did they hit with a saw, a live Maverick!
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It so weird that the Crew Chief, flight crew, expeditators, everyone drove by these things that were mounted on the wings and didn't notice anything. How do you pull that off? Stupid Bomber Crew Chiefs. Go Fighters!!!

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They were ALCM's and the warheads were supposed to have been removed, the missiles not the warheads were going to Barksdale, from the outside I don't know if you can tell if there is a warhead in it. Still heads will roll, was this classified as a broken arrow or bent spear?
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They were ALCM's and the warheads were supposed to have been removed, the missiles not the warheads were going to Barksdale, from the outside I don't know if you can tell if there is a warhead in it. Still heads will roll, was this classified as a broken arrow or bent spear?


One article says they weren't ALCMs but the advanced cruise missile.

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The way the system works it is IMPOSSIBLE to not know you are in the presence of a special weapon. Mark my words, the investigation (if we ever hear of the outcome) will be a litany of World Class CYA after a Screw Up so immense as to defy definition.

Whoever was behind this should be shot (no joke).

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Smitty - your spot on, the idea this was a mistake is so insane it is hard to even laugh about. Special Weapons load a mistake, no way in hell friends.

First a convoy is established, then no lone zones for loading, pre-flight, the guards placed on that aircraft, the pilot signs for that weapon...the list goes on....Smitty is spot on, this is BS of the highest order.

The USAF must now look at how foolish the whole idea of this flight was from the beginning, saying this was a mistake is pure crap...hell, most crew chiefs that have been around fro awhile netter know what a "special looks like too"...what a crook of crapola this whole report is and the fool from PA that allowed it to leak out.

Like many here, I too have been involved in many load outs, special and training loads, had my fair share of "alert duty" too, this is no mistake,
CC's" know what real weapon looks like, to say otherwise is pure BULL.

The only time one taxi's is for an Elephant Walk or the sh*t has hit the fan and we launch as we did from Lakenheath (and around USAFE) back in 1978 when a computer glitch told us (NORAD) that the Russians had launched and we launched against them (they were recalled in minutes) no other time have we ever flew live...never other then a planned munitions movement (cargo aircraft wise).

Sorry but BS is spot on Smitty is right as rain on this event...far too many of us know better this excuse some loser PA person is running with.

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elp wrote:
http://www.militarytimes.com/news/2007/09/marine_nuclear_B52_070904w/


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This media is more informative

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/index.shtml

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TJSmitty and Meathook...

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Nukes don't "accidently" get loaded onto an airplane.


In this case, they did.

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Crew chiefs don't "accidently" pre-flight a jet and not realize there are nukes loaded up.


Please tell us how they would proceed when they arrive at the jet, see the supposedly empty munitions, and then how they would know that some idiots in munitions screwed up and forgot to remove the warheads.

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Aircrews don't "accidently" take off and fly with nukes onboard.


This one did...again, its not possible in this case to see if its been removed.

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this is no mistake, CC's" know what real weapon looks like, to say otherwise is pure BULL.


Of course they do...and with x-ray vision they can verify if a warhead is present or not...LOL

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what a crook of crapola this whole report is and the fool from PA that allowed it to leak out.


Well of course its the Air Force's policy to inform the public when an event like this one happens...maybe you should read up on it.
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I wont even go into a further explanation since you seem to know better....you should have the answers yourself .

But if you believe this was a real mistake, then I worry about your actions around this aircraft, none of this ever should have hit the streets...never!

Some things the public should never know, especial when it comes to this subject and this event, that's how I feel about it anyway.

But your right about one thing....I'm done chatting about this one....later

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