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Posted: Sep 08, 2007 - 03:49 AM
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Hey?? Where did my post go?? I repeat:
The system is structured to make it impossible NOT to know you're in the presence of a special weapon. Mark my words....there is going to be some world class CYA on this screw up that is some massive it defies definition.
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Posted: Sep 08, 2007 - 05:52 AM
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huggy wrote:
"Hey, co,... make a writeup in the 781 saying we've got 6 nukes on board. OK, crew, ready to head to the bar?"
Aw Dammit!...and I'm the one who has to write the 781 too! Oh wait...there aren't anymore E's flying on BUFFs. Whew! Ok, I'm safe! Someone else's bad karma. |
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Posted: Sep 08, 2007 - 06:30 PM
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Smitty - your spot on (from another trend same topic), the idea this was a mistake is so insane it is hard to even laugh about. Special Weapons load a mistake, no way in hell friends, no way.
First a convoy is established, then no lone zones for loading, two man concept, pre-flight, the guards placed on that aircraft, the pilot signs for that weapon...the list goes on....Smitty is spot on, this is BS of the highest order.
The USAF must now look at how foolish the whole idea of this flight was from the beginning, saying this was a mistake is pure crap...hell, most crew chiefs that have been around for awhile better know what a "special looks like too" (no matter if it is a cruise or whatever)..what a crook of crapola this whole report is and the fool from PA that allowed it to leak out to the general public (that too never should have happened).
Like many here, I too have been involved in many load outs, special and training loads, had my fair share of "alert duty" too, this is no mistake, I never met a who did not know what these loads were, CC's" know what real weapon looks like, to say otherwise is pure BULL.
The only time one really taxi's is for an Elephant Walk or the sh*t has hit the fan and we have to launch as we did from Lakenheath (and around other USAFE bases) back in 1978 when a computer glitch told us (NORAD) that the Russians had launched and we launched against them (they - fighters - soon were recalled in minutes) no other time have we ever flew live like indicated in this report...never other then a planned munitions movement (cargo aircraft wise).
Sorry but BS is spot on as Smitty indicated, he is right as rain on this event...far too many of us know better this excuse some loser PA person is running with is embarrassing to say the least as well as the event itself.
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Posted: Sep 10, 2007 - 03:33 AM
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| I remember the Baby Elephant Walks at Minot from the 1970s when I was a Sixer at Minot. We always laughed at it, but it was an efficient way to rotate their jets from alert to the main ramp. Sure am glad I wasn't SAC!!! |
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Posted: Sep 10, 2007 - 03:02 PM
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I've seen several alert force flushes for the annual ORI at Barksdale. They were not just taxi to to hold line or down the ramp and back. They were GONE in 5 minutes. The smoke from the old G models lasted for 30 minutes, though.
Come to think of it, I've never seen alert aircraft move that were not then flown somewhere. |
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Posted: Sep 24, 2007 - 03:22 AM
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Posted: Oct 19, 2007 - 06:18 AM
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| New question, after talking to some people several individuals who should know state that there is a sort of transparent "window" on the missile (AGM-129) which can be used to see if there is indeed a warhead inside or not. Can anyone confirm this? |
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Posted: Oct 19, 2007 - 09:54 AM
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All I know is that's what one of the news paper articles said. I doubt anyone else will chime in on this one considering the subject matter . |
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Posted: Oct 19, 2007 - 03:13 PM
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| I've heard the same as well from open sources. It makes sense that there is a way to easily verify visually that there are special weapons involved in cases like this. Normally, the positive control procedures and security would be the first indication that there's more than dumb bombs being uploaded. |
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Posted: Oct 20, 2007 - 01:21 AM
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Posted: Oct 20, 2007 - 10:23 AM
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Posted: Oct 20, 2007 - 10:28 AM
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Air Force Link wrote:
Air Force releases B-52 munitions transfer investigation results
by Staff Sgt. Monique Randolph
Secretary of the Air Force Public Affairs
10/19/2007 - WASHINGTON (AFPN) -- A senior Air Force official released results of the command-directed investigation stemming from a weapons transfer incident that occurred Aug. 30 when cruise missiles were loaded onto a B-52 Stratofortress at Minot Air Force Base, N.D., and transported to Barksdale AFB, La.
The Barksdale-assigned B-52 was prepared to transport 12 cruise missiles to Louisiana as part of a tactical ferry mission; however, six of the 12 missiles were not properly prepared for transport, said Maj. Gen. Richard Newton III, assistant deputy chief of staff for operations, plans and requirements at the Pentagon.
General Newton attributed the loading and transport of the weapons to "a series of procedural breakdowns and human errors," stating that the six cruise missiles on that particular pylon "were not supposed to be moved."
"The extensive, six-week investigation found that this was an isolated event and the weapons never left the custody of Airmen and were never unsecured," General Newton said. "However, this incident is unacceptable to the people of the United States and to the United States Air Force."
Following the incident, Gen. Ronald Keys, Air Combat Command commander, ordered an immediate investigation to be conducted by Maj. Gen. Douglas Raaberg, ACC director of Air and Space Operations. The investigation lasted six weeks.
Immediately following the incident, one ACC commander was relieved of command, and the 5th Bomb Wing at Minot was decertified from specific missions and suspended from performing tactical ferry operations.
Since the investigation, several other officers have received administrative action and were relieved of command. Additionally, the Air Force conducted a service-wide stockpile inventory to verify there were no additional discrepancies, and enhanced management directives regarding the storage, tracking and labeling of all weapons.
Secretary of the Air Force Michael W. Wynne also directed nuclear security inspections for nuclear-capable units with oversight from the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.
As a result of the investigation, Air Combat Command officials will recertify the tactical ferry program prior to reinitiating B-52 ferry operations, General Newton said.
"We are aggressively examining and implementing corrective measures to our weapons handling and transfer process," he said. "Corrective action will ensure our munitions are handled precisely and safely 100 percent of the time.
"This was a serious error caused by a breakdown of procedural discipline by our Airmen," General Newton added. "We're accountable and we reassure the American people that the Air Force standards they expect are being met."
Source: http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123072687
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Posted: Oct 22, 2007 - 04:00 PM
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Posted: Oct 22, 2007 - 05:02 PM
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Posted: Oct 26, 2007 - 07:59 AM
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It was on the news and everything. I'd hate to be in the loading teams shoes  |
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