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Salute!

Gasp! Wheeez! Awwww maaaan!

<a href="news_article2461.html">Auto-GCAS ready for take-off</a>

Here we go again.

We went thru this about 25 years ago when some dweebs discovered the super, cosmic, FBW flight control system of the Viper. We had also had several augers due to pilot error, inattention, etc.

After interviewing all the pilots, the dweebs discovered that in absolutely no way did we stooopid pilots want some electronic nanny to take over our jet when "IT" decided we wanted to kill ouselves.

As Paul Simon put it, "There must be fifty ways ......"

Fer chrissakes, there is a remote possibility that I might actually WANT TO AUGER INTO AN ENEMY TARGET. Or I may be making a conscious decision to "press", or ........

Am I the only one?

Dammit. If I screw up and die, then I die!!!! Least it was my fault, and my wingie didn't get hit by MY JET DOING ITS "CRASH AVOIDANCE" maneuver when he didn't expect it.

Swear to God, the software dweebs and nannies at HHQ must be getting bored to come with another piece of crap that will do things when you least expect it and don't want it.

Sheeesh.

Sorry for the rant, but I bet the stooopid thing would have prevented Jimmy Doolittle from taking off from the Hornet back in April 1942.

out,

(Gums reaches for the bottle of blue pills and an aspirin or two. BTW, where's that bottle of Jeremiah Weed my wife hid from me?)

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This has been in the works since at least 1996 when I was at the SPO. 25 years ago it couldn't work. Now it does and it only takes over just before you die. If you want to die, fine, but I don't want you taking a perfectly good jet with you. And "2" will only take a hit if he's right where the computer takes you, which is where YOU should maneuver if you had the SA to do it. So if he's in your way, then HE deserves to die anyway.

OK, I hate to say it but you are both right so safety up before the shooting starts. Gums, check the dishwasher for the weed, that's where "She who must be obeyed" hid my Sake last week, as for corn flakes I do not touch them.

The system is basically a merger of TCAS (Traffic Collision Avoidance System) and the TERPROM (Terrain Profile Matching) systems, here's a basic pretty picture link: http://www.baesystems-ps.com/terprom/do ... ds-017.pdf

If you want Code One Support here's a link to an article by Joe Bill Dryden & Jon Beesley: http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives ... index.html

Gums: You have 49 left . . .

Newbie Joined: Jul 10, 2007 Posts: 18 Status: Offline

As a certified non important person on this topic, I'd still like to venture an opinion.

Can it least have an override/off switch?

I've worked in software QA and new product development for 30+ years. Nothing as critical as flight systems, but I've seen a bit.

The GCAS strikes me as similar to automotive traction control systems --i.e., a system that changes the behavior of something when it decides that
the normal behavior would lead to bad results. This can sometimes be disconcerting.

This is OK as long as the system is operating in the envelope that the designers envisioned. However, as the presumably iconic gums alleges, it may not cover all scenarios. Sometimes you might choose to auger it in or hit something. Sometimes your only option might be risky to an aircraft, but
better for the situation.

So, I would argue for the abiity to shut the damned thing off. Note it in an electronic log or whatever to maintain discipline, but give the human a chance to respond to unanticipated scenarios.

ford2go

Yes, it can be disabled (or that was the plan in 1996)

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After interviewing all the pilots, the dweebs discovered that in absolutely no way did we stooopid pilots want some electronic nanny to take over our jet when "IT" decided we wanted to kill ouselves.

I’m with you brother,

When sh*t hits the fan and hostilities figures out how to turn off the “0” and “1” s … I think we all, as pilots and maintainers will be busy in the Bone yard (AMARG) grabbing daddy’s shotgun.

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Gums wrote:

Salute!

Gasp! Wheeez! Awwww maaaan!

<a href="news_article2461.html">Auto-GCAS ready for take-off</a>

Here we go again.

We went thru this about 25 years ago when some dweebs discovered the super, cosmic, FBW flight control system of the Viper. We had also had several augers due to pilot error, inattention, etc.

After interviewing all the pilots, the dweebs discovered that in absolutely no way did we stooopid pilots want some electronic nanny to take over our jet when "IT" decided we wanted to kill ouselves.

As Paul Simon put it, "There must be fifty ways ......"

Fer chrissakes, there is a remote possibility that I might actually WANT TO AUGER INTO AN ENEMY TARGET. Or I may be making a conscious decision to "press", or ........

Am I the only one?

Dammit. If I screw up and die, then I die!!!! Least it was my fault, and my wingie didn't get hit by MY JET DOING ITS "CRASH AVOIDANCE" maneuver when he didn't expect it.

Swear to God, the software dweebs and nannies at HHQ must be getting bored to come with another piece of crap that will do things when you least expect it and don't want it.

Sheeesh.

Sorry for the rant, but I bet the stooopid thing would have prevented Jimmy Doolittle from taking off from the Hornet back in April 1942.

out,

(Gums reaches for the bottle of blue pills and an aspirin or two. BTW, where's that bottle of Jeremiah Weed my wife hid from me?)

Gums, I am sure you and Orville discussed this at times, what did he think? Very Happy

Enthusiast Joined: Dec 12, 2006 Posts: 56 Status: Offline

Gums-

I'm sure your in the same boat as me... but I'd have four friends still alive if this had been in place (GLOC, Spatial D x2, CFIT). Only 1 happened in combat. I can think of no scenario where I would trade their lives for the ability to press just a little closer. Why wouldn't the Air Force spend money on something that could save lives and preserve combat assets. I agree with you that nobody wants a system that self recovers when you don't want it to and I'm also concerned about possible malfuntions. I think, however, that the technology has matured enough to make this happen safely while maintaining tactical flexibility. Talk to some of the bro's about DTS... pretty good system when combined with a Hi-Hi platform.

Cheers

Very well said … if the system was in place I’m sure it would of saved this guy http://www.f-16.net/news_article2423.html (My deepest respect and sympathies for family and friends) and many more

However if I were in charge, all the money for projects like these would be diverted to combating IED’s, which seems to be the weapon killing most of our kids right now

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