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USAF to cut Ops Squadrons' flying hours 13% in FY-08



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It is hard to take statements from senior civilian leadership ( admin / congress ) that the war is important seriously, when they refuse to fund things properly. What a joke.

In an attempt to fully fund training units . . .

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USAF to cut Ops Squadrons’ flying hours program 13 percent in FY-08

Date: August 3, 2007

The desire to fully fund the Air Force flying hour training programs in fiscal year 2008 despite a 10 percent roll back in funding will lead to operations units losing roughly 13 percent of their live-flight exercise time, an Air Combat Command official tells Inside the Air Force.

The Air Force has traditionally flown 300,000 flying hours per-year. However, the cuts in FY-08 will drop that number by 30,000, Col. Eric Best, chief of ACC’s flight operations division, said in an Aug. 1 telephone interview. These cuts are expected to last through FY-13 and beyond.

“We are giving [the training units] 100 percent of their requirements because they are important to maintain the syllabus flow and the various test programs,” Best said. “What that does is it puts an extra burden on the operational squadrons out there. The number is more like [a] 13-percent reduction to the operational squadrons.”

This means a unit that requires 10,000 training hours will only receive 8,700, which “will cause problems,” he said, noting ACC officials are in the process of putting the finishing touches on the FY-08 flying hour plan.

“We anticipate there will be some training and readiness issues as a result of that reduction,” Best added.

House lawmakers inserted $403 million into their fiscal year 2008 defense authorization bill in an attempt to offset flying hour and other training cuts experienced by all of the services, according to documents and sources.

Lawmakers allotted $250 million to bridge Defense Department-wide training shortfalls and another $153 million -- $62 million for the Air Force and $91.6 million for the Navy -- for aviation maintenance shortfalls, according to a House Armed Services Committee report accompanying the proposed legislation.

The committee passed the authorization bill by a 58-0 vote on May 10. The entire House approved the proposed legislation May 17 by a 397-27 vote.

If approved, the funding is expected to offset the 10 percent cut in training flying hours currently experienced by the Air Force, a congressional staffer told ITAF in June.

“The intention really was to buy back maintenance shortfalls, which will in-turn allow [the services to] purchase back some of the shortfalls in flying hours because you already bought the maintenance,” the staffer said in a May 21 telephone interview.

ACC officials are waiting to see how much Congress authorizes and/or appropriates before they determine how much the additional funding would offset the flying hour cuts, Best said this week.

To that end, Best also believes units returning from combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan will become the “lowest priority for sorties . . . for a period of time.”

Air Force training requirements mandate active duty pilots to complete a certain number of flying hours per month based on the aircraft platform, he said. If they do not meet that goal -- either due to weather or other reasons out of the pilot’s hands -- the airman is given a “probationary period” of several months to make up the missed time.

“Because of the lack of sorties and hours out there, what you’re seeing is, many more people who are not meeting the monthly requirements and they’re balancing that probationary period as a result,” Best said. “One month of not making [the flying hour goal] is not a big deal. Two or three months in a row is.”

The flying hour chief said he expects this trend to continue as long as the 10 percent cuts are in place.

ACC personnel also are working to find ways that will help them meet -- or at least offset -- the reductions. Currently, pilots are primarily training for purely wartime missions, Best said.

Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. T. Michael Moseley has reintroduced the concept of aggressor fighter squadrons that specialize in adversary tactics, he said. The two squadrons imitate red forces during fighter squadrons’ training missions, relieving the individual unit of having to provide its own adversary replication.

In addition, the cuts to the flying hour program have led a charge in studying how simulators can help fill voids created by the lack of live-flight time.

The Air Force has robust high-fidelity simulators for several aircraft platforms, including the service’s primary air-to-air fighter the F-15C, that allow pilots in different simulators at separate locations to connect and fly a practice mission together, Best said.

However, the acquisition of simulators over the past few years has become a challenge. In the past, the Air Force would pay an aircraft manufacturer -- such as Boeing and Lockheed Martin -- to develop a platform simulator and provide instructors and technicians.

The simulators remained the property of the contractor -- similar to a lease -- but were installed in a building on an air base, he said. But now there is a law prohibiting this acquisition practice that mandates that all the services purchase the simulators.

The law ended up setting an F-16 Block 40 simulator acquisition program back about a year, Best said.

“We’re working very, very hard to bring this capability on line [but], it just takes money, it takes time to get it out there and then once it’s there, we next have to make sure we’ve got the right training events [and] that we’re using it to its best advantage.”

The Air Force attempts to hold four Virtual Flag exercises each year in which pilots in simulators all over the world are networked together and tasked with a specific mission.

Additionally, service officials are in the process of planning a month of distributed mission -- or simulated -- operations. During a planning exercise at Nellis Air Force Base, NV, last week, ACC officials developed seven scenarios for the September exercise.

Officials chose September mainly because funding for flying hours tends to be “lighter,” Best said. The hope is that the units with the advanced simulators realize the assets available and use them more regularly to link-up with other units in the months and years ahead. -- Marcus Weisgerber

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Oh it's just beginning. I'd brace yourself for a return to the Carter years.
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Them poor bastards.....here we(they) go again

Plenty of "non-essentials" to cut over in the Support and Med groups.

How's about this instead.....No more schmancy zillion dollar "award winning" chowhalls, no more skate parks for the brats to vandalize. Hell, eliminate AAFES on every base with a Wal Mart close by. Except for the cops and CE's Red Horse and Prime Beef civilianize the whole damn Support Group. Now take all those savings and put it in CPFH.

Of course none of that will happen...the guys who actually make the mission happen will continue to get screwed (while the rest of the base knocks off at 1530)

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but its not the support group or med group that contributes to maintainers working horrible hours to get the mission done. What contributes to it is a flying schedule that will be met no matter what. Sorry if I sound a bit miffed at all this, but working long hours for about a month straight starts to wear me raw after a while.

We have guys on the line making mistakes because there is too few of the maintainers but the flying hours never seemed to get any better, now this 13% cut seems like a welcome balance to everything else thats been going on, Cut the AF personnel by 40,000 people, cut the flying hours by 30000, sounds good to me
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Arctus wrote:
Them poor bastards.....here we(they) go again

Plenty of "non-essentials" to cut over in the Support and Med groups.

How's about this instead.....No more schmancy zillion dollar "award winning" chowhalls, no more skate parks for the brats to vandalize. Hell, eliminate AAFES on every base with a Wal Mart close by. Except for the cops and CE's Red Horse and Prime Beef civilianize the whole damn Support Group. Now take all those savings and put it in CPFH.

Of course none of that will happen...the guys who actually make the mission happen will continue to get screwed (while the rest of the base knocks off at 1530)


Wonder how much we'd save if we axed ALL tax-dollars-for-jobs-in-the-fat-cat's-district like the F136 and an assortment of other BS the Pentegon says it doesn't want but is being forced on them so some self-serving politician can get votes?
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The first thing they can do is cut the T-birds...as they are lame anyway.

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ViperKeeper wrote:
The first thing they can do is cut the T-birds...as they are lame anyway.


BLASPHEMY!!! Very Happy
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ViperKeeper wrote:
The first thing they can do is cut the T-birds...as they are lame anyway.



IIRC they earn their keep as a recruiting tool. If not then chop the Blue Angels too. (They ever going to get a better paint job?)
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Blue Fox,

The problem with cutting the flight schedule while maintaining the pilot force, is keeping the pilots current .

The flying schedule is very carefully orchestrated to allow the pilot's very tight training schedule to stay on track. With the exception of the LTC's and above, and a few senior Majors everyone else is in upgrade training. Every time a new mission profile is added or modified, or a new pod is added it creates new training missions that the whole squadron has to fly in order to get qualified.

Maintenance suffers for this too, but understand that on the ops side (in most squadrons, most of the time) schedule changes and deviations that cause extra work for MX are not taken lightly.

It's time the Air Force began prioritizing the dog instead of the tail (was the point of my previous rant)

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I understand that pilots are suppost to keep current with their training, but the point I was trying to make is that someone decided that Training hours alloted was the status quo for what was needed to keep there skills sharp.

But this was decided back when we had more people, and more experience to deal with all of the maintenance that resulted from such a heavy flying schedule.

It all goes back to wanting to do more with less people. How are we suppost to maintain the upgrade training on our end when we have to launch/recover/pit/TH constantly. Sure there is a swing shift, but by the time they get done with BPO/PR, they still have a brunt of the maintenance to get done, and its all about getting everything ready for the next flying day, and I know guys that constantly work 12s because they are the only one experience enough on the shift to do most of the maintenance, this leads to burnt out staffs, pissed off techs, and all the crap rolls down hill
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The AF is getting rid of people, do they need the Thunderbirds? How about all the people that are not filling operational assignments. What is the yearly budget for the team? Anybody remember when squadrons would get so broke that they had shoe drives?
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Here is my take on the subject

Pilots need to have stick time no doubt about it … but very expensive with the War on Terror.

Cutting flying hours is detrimental to flying status … you need to be current. Know one wants to be a “SNACKO” because a line number isn’t available.

I heard the F-35 is the last manned fighter?

UAV’s are the advertised future of the USAF

UAV’s are cheaper to operate, and if you dust one off … oh well

UAV’s that we have now … RQ’s and Hawks, are in the development stages and making big money/progress. You can ARM them up and take them to the fight with no loss of operator human life.

When they make “Go Fast” UAV’s (and I’m sure they have them in secret squirrel land) It will be like the movie “Forth of July” … hundreds of them bastards attacking at will.

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I like the idea of getting rid of the T-birds. They are an embarrassment to the F-16 world. And honestly who here has joined the Air Force because of them? I think people who have really and honestly joined just because they saw the T-birds are either serving me food in the chow hall or sleeping on the line in their patrol cars. Another way we can save people is to stop giving civilians and cadets incentive flights!

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Regardless of what you think about the Thunderbirds, their mission in life is to showcase the USAF to the people who matter the most....the civillians who foot the bill for all the wizard gadgetry. Its a symbiotic relationship...we can't survive without you, you can't survive without us. The more civillians you folks impress, the less likely it is that hours will be reduced every year.

If the T-birds convert JP-4 into pollution giving the taxpayers a thrill, that's money well spent, and anyhoo, the problem isn't the T-Birds, or AAFES, or Iraq....its misplaced priorities by elected officials. You need look no further than the Capitol to find the source of your justifiable wrath. We give the bastards MORE than enough $$$ every year to field 12,000 F-16s AND pay you great $$$ to mess with them for us, provided the yahoos in DC didn't squander it or useless crap to ensure their own survival.

Flying hours aren't being reduced because of the T-Birds.

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afnsucks wrote:
I like the idea of getting rid of the T-birds. They are an embarrassment to the F-16 world.


What's embarassing about them specifically?
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